Qu'ran says "black faces" is a punishment from Allah

[Epic Beard Man]

Qu'ran 3:106 says:

"On the Day [some] faces will turn white and [some] faces will turn black. As for those whose faces turn black, [to them it will be said], "Did you disbelieve after your belief? Then taste the punishment for what you used to reject."

Let me explain the following verse to the best of my knowledge


"On the Day [some] faces will turn white and [some] faces will turn black. As for those whose faces turn black, [to them it will be said], "Did you disbelieve after your belief? Then taste the punishment for what you used to reject."

Next time ask a Muslim regarding this verse instead of making an ignorant thread. This is quite offensive to me but then again I'm used to getting warnings while others can be insulting to my heritage but I digress.

Regarding this verse this is referring to the Islamic eschatology of judgment day. The interpretation behind this verse regarding those whose faces are "white" is an analogy regarding those who are favored by God, and usually those who are favored by God are illuminating in his light. The white face are blissful, jovial, and are a reflection of divine light and of hope. The whiteness is the purity of faith and being favored in God's grace. The black faces are a reflection of disfavor and displeasure of God. They are a reflection of the punishment of the hereafter. The blackened faces are analogous to (in my understanding) the fire that awaits them. To be burned, to be impure, to appear as smoke or to reflect the distance of the disbeliever from divine light to be in despair.

Another Quranic interpretation which corroborates the aforementioned states:

"On the Day [of Judgment] when some faces are bright [with hope] while others are dark [with despair]. Those whose faces are darkened will be asked "Have you denied God's Truth after believing? Then experience the punishment for your unbelief."

If the Pope or Donald Trump taught something like that, everyone would accuse them of an extremely offensive and blatantly obvious "racial slur", and rightfully so, but when it comes from Muhammad (peace be upon him), no one seems to care.

It is exalting the favored righteous as having "white faces" and speaking of wicked, condemned, unbelievers as having "black faces".

How could someone not see the problem with this picture?

There seems to be an intellectual disconnect with you, the Qur'an and reality that much is clear. In ancient text a lot of times white and black were representations of darkness and light. For example a white dove is a symbol of divinity, purity and of the Holy Spirit, while a Raven is a representation of evil, wickedness and of demonic origin.

I love Muhammad (peace be upon him) and hope he is in heaven.

No you don't love Muhammad. Just the other thread you referred to him as a pedophile and in the same breathe you can also say (peace be upon him) while at the same time insult a religious figure. Your confusion and lack of understanding is beyond insulting and I do not understand why the likes of @Kelly of the Phoenix and @stvdv keeps defending you. It's almost like you post on impulse without having any forethought to what you're writing about. This is exactly why I made that thread https://www.religiousforums.com/thr...ics-of-discussion-forums.210270/#post-5685091 for this very reason. Comments like this tells me you're not interested in learning but rather you impulsively make comments that come to your head. There is a reason why there are hardly any Muslims that participate here is because individuals like you make these comments. There is no hospitality here for Muslims and I'm surprised the people of the Baha'i faith are hanging on here.

 

[Epic Beard Man]

Not touching this topic with a 50' barge pole. @Epic Beard Man ... care to comment?

You just had to tag me huh? It's cause I'm black right? LOL

 

[Spiderman]

Let me explain the following verse to the best of my knowledge


"On the Day [some] faces will turn white and [some] faces will turn black. As for those whose faces turn black, [to them it will be said], "Did you disbelieve after your belief? Then taste the punishment for what you used to reject."

Next time ask a Muslim regarding this verse instead of making an ignorant thread. This is quite offensive to me but then again I'm used to getting warnings while others can be insulting to my heritage but I digress.

Regarding this verse this is referring to the Islamic eschatology of judgment day. The interpretation behind this verse regarding those whose faces are "white" is an analogy regarding those who are favored by God, and usually those who are favored by God are illuminating in his light. The white face are blissful, jovial, and are a reflection of divine light and of hope. The whiteness is the purity of faith and being favored in God's grace. The black faces are a reflection of disfavor and displeasure of God. They are a reflection of the punishment of the hereafter. The blackened faces are analogous to (in my understanding) the fire that awaits them. To be burned, to be impure, to appear as smoke or to reflect the distance of the disbeliever from divine light to be in despair.

Another Quranic interpretation which corroborates the aforementioned states:

"On the Day [of Judgment] when some faces are bright [with hope] while others are dark [with despair]. Those whose faces are darkened will be asked "Have you denied God's Truth after believing? Then experience the punishment for your unbelief."




There seems to be an intellectual disconnect with you, the Qur'an and reality that much is clear. In ancient text a lot of times white and black were representations of darkness and light. For example a white dove is a symbol of divinity, purity and of the Holy Spirit, while a Raven is a representation of evil, wickedness and of demonic origin.



No you don't love Muhammad. Just the other thread you referred to him as a pedophile and in the same breathe you can also say (peace be upon him) while at the same time insult a religious figure. Your confusion and lack of understanding is beyond insulting and I do not understand why the likes of @Kelly of the Phoenix and @stvdv keeps defending you. It's almost like you post on impulse without having any forethought to what you're writing about. This is exactly why I made that thread https://www.religiousforums.com/thr...ics-of-discussion-forums.210270/#post-5685091 for this very reason. Comments like this tells me you're not interested in learning but rather you impulsively make comments that come to your head. There is a reason why there are hardly any Muslims that participate here is because individuals like you make these comments. There is no hospitality here for Muslims and I'm surprised the people of the Baha'i faith are hanging on here.

I repeat:

I want to see the beauty in the Qu'ran and Islam. I really do, because i love the humble, peaceful muslims i have met.

I would like to be nice to Allah, be nice to Muslims, and be a friend of Muhammad (peace be upon him)

I hope to meet him some day and be his friend.

However, it seems his errors, actions, and policies are costing humankind dearly.

Yes, legally (by American law) he was a pedophile. That doesn't mean I can't forgive him, and hope to be his friend some day.

He also was a murderer.

So was king David, who I love and admire. But he had errors in judgement.

May I ask why you are so offended when I point out the obvious!?

A person can love someone and still hate their mistakes.

And bottom line is, he used "black faces" to symbolize wickedness and "white faces" to symbolize righteousness. I don't see how you could not see that as poor judgement, and disrespectful to people with black faces?

Also, the OP is simply pointing out what is obvious. You seem to think there is something terribly wrong with that.

There is nothing more wrong with it than pointing out the errors of Donald Trump and his offensive remarks.

What you call "inhospitality to Muslims" in this case, is simply pointing out the truth of what the koran says, and mistakes made by Muhammad (peace be upon him).

I do the same thing with Christians and the Bible. So do many other posters and it's not against forum rules.

 

[Cacotopia]

Weird. I'm from the South. Anything darker than a sun tan will probably get you arrested.

Anything lighter than a sun tan will get you shook down here. Damn no one can win here.

 

[Cacotopia]

You just had to tag me huh? It's cause I'm black right? LOL

oh snap. shots fired.

 

[Spiderman]

Let me explain the following verse to the best of my knowledge


"On the Day [some] faces will turn white and [some] faces will turn black. As for those whose faces turn black, [to them it will be said], "Did you disbelieve after your belief? Then taste the punishment for what you used to reject."

Next time ask a Muslim regarding this verse instead of making an ignorant thread. This is quite offensive to me but then again I'm used to getting warnings while others can be insulting to my heritage but I digress.

Regarding this verse this is referring to the Islamic eschatology of judgment day. The interpretation behind this verse regarding those whose faces are "white" is an analogy regarding those who are favored by God, and usually those who are favored by God are illuminating in his light. The white face are blissful, jovial, and are a reflection of divine light and of hope. The whiteness is the purity of faith and being favored in God's grace. The black faces are a reflection of disfavor and displeasure of God. They are a reflection of the punishment of the hereafter. The blackened faces are analogous to (in my understanding) the fire that awaits them. To be burned, to be impure, to appear as smoke or to reflect the distance of the disbeliever from divine light to be in despair.

Another Quranic interpretation which corroborates the aforementioned states:

"On the Day [of Judgment] when some faces are bright [with hope] while others are dark [with despair]. Those whose faces are darkened will be asked "Have you denied God's Truth after believing? Then experience the punishment for your unbelief."




There seems to be an intellectual disconnect with you, the Qur'an and reality that much is clear. In ancient text a lot of times white and black were representations of darkness and light. For example a white dove is a symbol of divinity, purity and of the Holy Spirit, while a Raven is a representation of evil, wickedness and of demonic origin.



No you don't love Muhammad. Just the other thread you referred to him as a pedophile and in the same breathe you can also say (peace be upon him) while at the same time insult a religious figure. Your confusion and lack of understanding is beyond insulting and I do not understand why the likes of @Kelly of the Phoenix and @stvdv keeps defending you. It's almost like you post on impulse without having any forethought to what you're writing about. This is exactly why I made that thread https://www.religiousforums.com/thr...ics-of-discussion-forums.210270/#post-5685091 for this very reason. Comments like this tells me you're not interested in learning but rather you impulsively make comments that come to your head. There is a reason why there are hardly any Muslims that participate here is because individuals like you make these comments. There is no hospitality here for Muslims and I'm surprised the people of the Baha'i faith are hanging on here.

You aren't the only one who receives warnings.

Also,
How was the OP an "offense to" your "heritage?"

I was simply pointing out a verse in the Qu'ran that has the "potential to be toxic" and misleading.

It is offensive "symbolism" (for obvious reasons), and may not be symbolism at all. It may be quite literally saying, faces will change colors (kinda like it says).

I was saying, the one using such imagry seems to have errors in judgement, and is using offensive imagry and choice of words.

Sort of like quoting the errors, choices of words, and offensive remarks of right-wing politicians.

If anything, i was defending your heritage, by stating such a choice of words is offensive, incorrect, and wrong!

 

[Spiderman]

Let me explain the following verse to the best of my knowledge


"On the Day [some] faces will turn white and [some] faces will turn black. As for those whose faces turn black, [to them it will be said], "Did you disbelieve after your belief? Then taste the punishment for what you used to reject."

Next time ask a Muslim regarding this verse instead of making an ignorant thread. This is quite offensive to me but then again I'm used to getting warnings while others can be insulting to my heritage but I digress.

Regarding this verse this is referring to the Islamic eschatology of judgment day. The interpretation behind this verse regarding those whose faces are "white" is an analogy regarding those who are favored by God, and usually those who are favored by God are illuminating in his light. The white face are blissful, jovial, and are a reflection of divine light and of hope. The whiteness is the purity of faith and being favored in God's grace. The black faces are a reflection of disfavor and displeasure of God. They are a reflection of the punishment of the hereafter. The blackened faces are analogous to (in my understanding) the fire that awaits them. To be burned, to be impure, to appear as smoke or to reflect the distance of the disbeliever from divine light to be in despair.

Another Quranic interpretation which corroborates the aforementioned states:

"On the Day [of Judgment] when some faces are bright [with hope] while others are dark [with despair]. Those whose faces are darkened will be asked "Have you denied God's Truth after believing? Then experience the punishment for your unbelief."




There seems to be an intellectual disconnect with you, the Qur'an and reality that much is clear. In ancient text a lot of times white and black were representations of darkness and light. For example a white dove is a symbol of divinity, purity and of the Holy Spirit, while a Raven is a representation of evil, wickedness and of demonic origin.



No you don't love Muhammad. Just the other thread you referred to him as a pedophile and in the same breathe you can also say (peace be upon him) while at the same time insult a religious figure. Your confusion and lack of understanding is beyond insulting and I do not understand why the likes of @Kelly of the Phoenix and @stvdv keeps defending you. It's almost like you post on impulse without having any forethought to what you're writing about. This is exactly why I made that thread https://www.religiousforums.com/thr...ics-of-discussion-forums.210270/#post-5685091 for this very reason. Comments like this tells me you're not interested in learning but rather you impulsively make comments that come to your head. There is a reason why there are hardly any Muslims that participate here is because individuals like you make these comments. There is no hospitality here for Muslims and I'm surprised the people of the Baha'i faith are hanging on here.

Otherwise,
It's a good explanation of the verse

The false accusations against me, and the claim that I insulted your heritage was far from true. It might be healthy for you to not find such offenses where they don't exist.

Otherwise, good post!

Peace be with you, and have a good night! Good morning! And great day!

I wish you the best, and hope you find joy and peace in this life, and get to heaven!

 

[Spiderman]

Modern society just needs to stop pretending that ancient, primitive savages were anything other than ancient, primitive savages.

I'm pleased to see that you recognize what is wrong with a "sacred text" using such a choice of words and imagry!

 

[Spiderman]

@Epic Beard Man
Since there is no insult to your heritage here, (other than a quote from the Qu'ran that could be easily be seen as such), yet you falsely accused me of it, it makes me question your credibility when you claim there are other such insults at RF.

It makes me wonder, are people insulting your heritage, or are you finding such insults where they don't exist, like you have done on this thread?

If so, that sounds like a very unhealthy, unpleasant quality (habit) to have. It can't be pleasant when a person finds such insults where they don't even exist.

For the sake of your well-being, peace, emotional state, and enjoyment of life, it is best and wise for all people to get out of such habits of finding insults and offenses where they don't exist. It could also be helpful to put me on ignore, for i don't intentionally insult or offend anyone.

And I say all this to be helpful, in the kindest possible way!

 

[Father Heathen]

I'm pleased to see that you recognize what is wrong with a "sacred text" using such a choice of words and imagry!

"Sacred text" has no use beyond toilet paper.

 

[Spiderman]

"Sacred text" has no use beyond toilet paper.

I kinda wish there was less truth to that statement!

 

[Spiderman]

I kinda wish there was less truth to that statement!

Not that I fully agree, but all things considered, in view of the damage such "sacred texts" have done, and have the potential to do, it makes sense why a person would see it that way!

 

[Epic Beard Man]

I repeat:

I want to see the beauty in the Qu'ran and Islam. I really do, because i love the humble, peaceful muslims i have met.

I would like to be nice to Allah, be nice to Muslims, and be a friend of Muhammad (peace be upon him)

I hope to meet him some day and be his friend.

However, it seems his errors, actions, and policies are costing humankind dearly.

Yes, legally (by American law) he was a pedophile. That doesn't mean I can't forgive him, and hope to be his friend some day.

He also was a murderer.

So was king David, who I love and admire. But he had errors in judgement.

May I ask why you are so offended when I point out the obvious!?

A person can love someone and still hate their mistakes.

And bottom line is, he used "black faces" to symbolize wickedness and "white faces" to symbolize righteousness. I don't see how you could not see that as poor judgement, and disrespectful to people with black faces?

Also, the OP is simply pointing out what is obvious. You seem to think there is something terribly wrong with that.

There is nothing more wrong with it than pointing out the errors of Donald Trump and his offensive remarks.

What you call "inhospitality to Muslims" in this case, is simply pointing out the truth of what the koran says, and mistakes made by Muhammad (peace be upon him).

I do the same thing with Christians and the Bible. So do many other posters and it's not against forum rules.

For the love of all that is holy you're all over the place with this man...

 

[Epic Beard Man]

You aren't the only one who receives warnings.

Also,
How was the OP an "offense to" your "heritage?"

I was simply pointing out a verse in the Qu'ran that has the "potential to be toxic" and misleading.

It is offensive "symbolism" (for obvious reasons), and may not be symbolism at all. It may be quite literally saying, faces will change colors (kinda like it says).

I was saying, the one using such imagry seems to have errors in judgement, and is using offensive imagry and choice of words.

Sort of like quoting the errors, choices of words, and offensive remarks of right-wing politicians.

If anything, i was defending your heritage, by stating such a choice of words is offensive, incorrect, and wrong!

By the very fact you made this a race issue and impart that blackness in the Quranic verse was meant as a racist gesture and it wasn't. You were given two explanations regarding the meaning of this verse. Now, you're insinuating this has something to do with "black face" due to the verse in the Qur'an? You know what, I take that back, I'm not offended nor do I think its offensive I think its plain ole stupid to insinuate that this verse implied that.

 

[Spiderman]

By the very fact you made this a race issue and impart that blackness in the Quranic verse was meant as a racist gesture and it wasn't. You were given two explanations regarding the meaning of this verse. Now, you're insinuating this has something to do with "black face" due to the verse in the Qur'an? You know what, I take that back, I'm not offended nor do I think its offensive I think its plain ole stupid to insinuate that this verse implied that.

When did I say Muhammad (peace be upon him) was referring to race??

I was pointing out that obviously he was saying the colors of faces will change, and he was saying the righteous will have "white faces" and the wicked will have "black faces".

THAT IS THE OBVIOUS FACT!

I can't believe you don't see something wrong with this picture!

And, im sorry pointing out the obvious facts are so offensive to you!

 

[John53]

Anything lighter than a sun tan will get you shook down here. Damn no one can win here.

I have 2 colours, anaemic white or tomato red if I go in the sun. Wondering if and how I fit in?

 

[Epic Beard Man]

When did I say Muhammad (peace be upon him) was referring to race??

I was pointing out that obviously he was saying the colors of faces will change, and he was saying the righteous will have "white faces" and the wicked will have "black faces".

THAT IS THE OBVIOUS FACT!

I can't believe you don't see something wrong with this picture!

And, im sorry pointing out the obvious facts are so offensive to you!

Also me and Adrian explained what the verse implied.

 

[Spiderman]

@Epic Beard Man
I already said, i really appreciate your commentary on the verse.

I'm not saying it is false!

Neither did I say the Prophet was referring to anything that had to do with race.

I did say that if the Pope or Donald Trump used such symbolism or imagry, people would interpret it as a "racial slur".

No one in their right mind, should ever use the term "white faces" or "black faces" to symbolize holiness and wickedness.

That is what Muhammad (peace be upon him) did.

THAT IS A FACT!

And it is disrespectful and offensive, regardless of how the prophet indended it!

 

[Spiderman]

Honestly,
@Epic Beard Man,
In the OP I'm condemning the decision of an influential man to say colors of faces will change, the righteous will have "white faces", the wicked will have "black faces"...

And you defend such talk?

I can't believe im even having this conversation with you!

Yes, I get he wasn't implying anything racist, but still, it sounds terrible!

I can't believe you would defend such a poor offensive choice of words!

 

[Epic Beard Man]

@Epic Beard Man

I did say that if the Pope or Donald Trump used such symbolism or imagry, people would interpret it as a "racial slur".

Donald Trump is a racist for one:

"In fact, the very first time that Trump appeared in the pages of the New York Times, back in the 1970s, was when the US Department of Justice sued him for racial discrimination. Since then, he has repeatedly appeared in newspaper pages across the world as he inspired more similar controversies."

"1992: The Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino had to pay a $200,000 fine because it transferred black and women dealers off tables to accommodate a big-time gambler’s prejudices."


See:https://www.vox.com/2016/7/25/12270880/donald-trump-racism-history

First off why would the Pope or Trump make such comments in the first place?