Qu'ran says "black faces" is a punishment from Allah

[Spiderman]

Qu'ran 3:106 says:

"On the Day [some] faces will turn white and [some] faces will turn black. As for those whose faces turn black, [to them it will be said], "Did you disbelieve after your belief? Then taste the punishment for what you used to reject."

Anyone care to comment on that?

It seems to me like the right and healthy thing to point out a potentially toxic verse like that from a "sacred text."

If the Pope or Donald Trump taught something like that, everyone would accuse them of an extremely offensive and blatantly obvious "racial slur", and rightfully so, but when it comes from Muhammad (peace be upon him), no one seems to care.

It is exalting the favored righteous as having "white faces" and speaking of wicked, condemned, unbelievers as having "black faces".

How could someone not see the problem with this picture?

It seems to me like the right thing to do to point out something so offensive.

I love Muhammad (peace be upon him) and hope he is in heaven. But it is still the right thing to do, to point out his errors in judgement and teachings (rather than enable them by being silent and passive).

We all have errors in judgement, but when over a billion people adhere to one's teachings, those errors have much worse potential to do damage, and should be pointed out.

I do the same thing with the Bible and "Christians".

There's nothing wrong with letting your conscience be your guide!

 

[YmirGF]

Not touching this topic with a 50' barge pole. @Epic Beard Man ... care to comment?

 

[Father Heathen]

Modern society just needs to stop pretending that ancient, primitive savages were anything other than ancient, primitive savages.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Qu'ran 3:106 says:

"On the Day [some] faces will turn white and [some] faces will turn black. As for those whose faces turn black, [to them it will be said], "Did you disbelieve after your belief? Then taste the punishment for what you used to reject."

Anyone care to comment on that?

It seems to me like the right and healthy thing to point out a potentially toxic verse like that from a "sacred text."

If the Pope or Donald Trump taught something like that, everyone would accuse them of an extremely offensive and blatantly obvious "racial slur", and rightfully so, but when it comes from Muhammad (peace be upon him), no one seems to care.

It is exalting the righteous as having "white faces" and speaking of unbelievers as having "black faces".

How could someone not see the problem with this picture?

It seems to me like the right thing to do to point out something so offensive.

I love Muhammad (peace be upon him) and hope he is in heaven. But it is still the right thing to do, to point out his errors in judgement and teachings (rather than enable them by being silent and passive).

We all have errors in judgement, but when over a billion people adhere to one's teachings, those errors have much worse potential to do damage, and should be pointed out.

I do the same thing with the Bible and "Christians".

There's nothing wrong with letting your conscience be your guide!

Black and white are symbols of darkness and light, or turning away from God and turning towards Him, of having unbelief or belief.

The verses have nothing to do with race.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Modern society just needs to stop pretending that ancient, primitive savages were anything other than ancient, primitive savages.

Gasp! Don't you know they are cultured and progressive? I mean look at those strange customs they have. Strange is always better, btw.

 

[Spiderman]

Not touching this topic with a 50' barge pole. @Epic Beard Man ... care to comment?

It's not pleasant to point out such errors, and Muhammad (peace be upon him) being Arab (which is legally white) could explain why he would have such an error in judgement, and make such offensive remarks.

But pointing out the errors of someone, who over 1.4 billion people follow, (and whose teachings influence governments and laws/policies that effect entire nations and liberties of hundreds of millions of people), is just as noble as pointing out the errors of Fascism or leaders like Donald Trump.

There really seems to be a huge double standard when it comes to Muhammad (peace be upon him.)

And I will wash hands, face, feet, and face Mecca barefoot, in a mosque, face to the ground, with any Muslim, to praise Allah in Arabic.

I have done so, find much beauty in Islam, and once was going to convert to Islam.

But i've seen the errors, and they should be pointed out, and doing so should be just as acceptable and tolerated as pointing out the errors of Donald Trump.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

But he's Middle Eastern?

 

[Spiderman]

Black and white are symbols of darkness and light, or turning away from God and turning towards Him, of having unbelief or belief.

The verses have nothing to do with race.

He is describing condemned, shameful, sinful unbelievers as having black faces, and the righteous as having white faces.

You think the Pope (or Donald Trump) could get away with teachings like that, and then say "I was symbolizing darkness and light"?

Absolutely not!

This is the color of people's faces, a "white face" symbolizing whether they are righteous and meriting heaven , or "black face" symbolizing wickedness, shame, and meriting hell!

It should be offensive, and of course people will try to explain it away, because it's coming from the beloved, praiseworthy prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

If such statements came from a right-wing politician, people would be chronically condemning such offensive talk, even if they claimed it were "symbolism".

Did you talk to Muhammad, and he told you, "it was symbolism of darkness and light"? How do you know?

The double--standard never ceases to amaze me!

 

[Spiderman]

But he's Middle Eastern?

Which is legally "white".

I had a friend born in Syria.
He looked Italian. No more olive complected than myself.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Did you talk to Muhammad, and he told you, "it was symbolism of darkness and light"? How do you know?

Because I took the time to read the entire chapter so I could get that one verse in context.

I read some commentaries on what the verses mean.

I prayerfully considered what the verse might mean.

 

[Spiderman]

Because I took the time to read the entire chapter so I could get that one verse in context.

I read some commentaries on what the verses mean.

I prayerfully considered what the verse might mean.

Great! Let's attack Donald Trump when he says "****hole countries",
But defend Muhammad for shaming people with "black faces" and glorifying people with "white faces".

Of course, people will explain it away, and say "I've read commenteries", rather than acknowledge what's wrong with such a statement!

Gotta love the double standard.

Its okay to bash Donald Trump, and rightfully so, but it is quite politically correct to defend errors like this, or bigotry, hate, antisemitism, intolerance, violence, torture, persecution, humiliation, and mass-murderer of nonmuslims, as long as such hate and atrocities comes from Muhammad (peace be upon him) or the Qu'ran, and not some tweet from Trump!

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Gasp! Don't you know they are cultured and progressive? I mean look at those strange customs they have. Strange is always better, btw.

Dont you follow the Bible?

 

[Spiderman]

For those who think I'm an Islamaphobe,
I actually say more negative things about the Bible.

The errors of ancient Abrahamic "sacred texts" should be pointed out. It has all the potential to be toxic stuff to let the Bible (or Qu'ran) be your sole rule of faith, Theology, and morals.

The OP is just one of many examples of this.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Which is legally "white".

Weird. I'm from the South. Anything darker than a sun tan will probably get you arrested.

 

[Spiderman]

The verses have nothing to do with race.

I didn't say it was about race.

It says the faces of the righteous will turn white and the faces of the wicked will turn black. That doesn't sound like the language of symbolism. It sounds to me like it's quite literal that a "black face" will be the mark of the damned, and a "white face" will be the mark of the saved. What are your reasons for saying that verse means anything different???

How can you not see what is wrong with such symbolism??? Let's say you are right (which is very questionable). It's all symbolic as you say!

Well, the fact still remains that the wise, prudent, holy prophet of God was using "white faces" to symbolize righteousness, and "black faces" to symbolize wickedness. That much is obvious, and indicates that the prophet had an extremely offensive error in judgement.

A wise, prudent, respectful, person would know not to use "black faces" to symbolize wickedness and condemnation, out of respect for people with "black faces"(obviously).

I can't believe you fail to see what's wrong with using such symbolism!

Also, it looks to me like he was speaking literal. It is saying faces will change color based on whether a person is going to heaven or hell, no?

 

[sayak83]

Modern society just needs to stop pretending that ancient, primitive savages were anything other than ancient, primitive savages.

Modern society also needs to stop pretending that they are anything more than modern primitive savages.

 

[Spiderman]

Modern society also needs to stop pretending that they are anything more than modern primitive savages.

Id say we are probably "modern savages" on average.

But I have to disagree with a Civilization with internet, cell phones, automobiles, airplanes, space-ships, computers, credit cards, satellites, and modern medicine + technology as being "primitive".

 

[Dawnofhope]

I didn't say it was about race.

It says the faces of the righteous will turn white and the faces of the wicked will turn black. That doesn't sound like the language of symbolism. It sounds to me like it's quite literal that a "black face" will be the mark of the damned, and a "white face" will be the mark of the saved. What are your reasons for saying that verse means anything different???

How can you not see what is wrong with such symbolism??? Let's say you are right (which is very questionable). It's all symbolic as you say!

Well, the fact still remains that the wise, prudent, holy prophet of God was using "white faces" to symbolize righteousness, and "black faces" to symbolize wickedness. That much is obvious, and indicates that the prophet had an extremely offensive error in judgement.

A wise, prudent, respectful, person would know not to use "black faces" to symbolize wickedness and condemnation, out of respect for people with "black faces"(obviously).

I can't believe you fail to see what's wrong with using such symbolism!

Also, it looks to me like he was speaking literal. It is saying faces will change color based on whether a person is going to heaven or hell, no?

Literal, symbolic, or both?

"Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the benefit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth -- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise." (Qur'an, 2:164)"

 

[Spiderman]

Literal, symbolic, or both?

"Behold! In the creation of the heavens and the earth; in the alternation of the night and the day; in the sailing of the ships through the ocean for the benefit of mankind; in the rain which Allah Sends down from the skies, and the life which He gives therewith to an earth that is dead; in the beasts of all kinds that He scatters through the earth; in the change of the winds, and the clouds which they trail like their slaves between the sky and the earth -- (Here) indeed are Signs for a people that are wise." (Qur'an, 2:164)"

Sounds literal to me...but i had to read it more than once because it is a bit incoherent imo.

 

[Spiderman]

I want to see the beauty in the Qu'ran and Islam. I really do, because i love the humble, peaceful muslims i have met.

I would like to be nice to Allah, be nice to Muslims, and be a friend of Muhammad (peace be upon him)

I hope to meet him some day and be his friend.

However, it seems his errors, actions, and policies are costing humankind dearly.