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What Would Be Your Appeal on Judgement Day?

ronandcarol

Member
Premium Member
On judgement day, those that believe and are saved, will have on the robes of righteousness, not our filthy rags of sin. God will look at us and see the redemptive blood of His Son who died so that we might be able to stand before the judgement throne with boldness.
ronandcarol
 

james bond

Well-Known Member
Anybody say this yet?

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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Who are we to say; here is a being with a lot more advanced knowledge than any of us have, deciding this is the best outcome...

So you would have advised the Native Americans to accept Manifest Destiny? We are the ones being incinerated, but you think we don't have the right to question it?

That strikes me as bizzarre.

I get that this hypothetical being can act as they will regardless. That is basically the essence of a despot.

We don't have these options, and I'm not going to justify another's actions, without knowing the whole situation.

The being made our reality, its levels of comprehension are slightly more advanced than murdering people; thus there is a logical reason for it somewhere, it is just our lack of discernment.

In my opinion. :innocent:

If all he wanted was blind obedience, he should have designed me with wool.
 
There is no reliable, first-person account of Jesus' words, and what information did you give me validating the Bible's accuracy?
A reliable text would not be full of contradictions, errors, mistranslations, &c.

Why do you think the Bible is a more authoritative reference than the Quran, for example? Couldn't the Muslims make the same claims of historical and religious accuracy? For that matter, couldn't the Pastafarians, as well?

But I have no valid reason to believe I'm drowning, or that I'm in the water at all, or that this Christian 'life jacket' even floats.


Yea I know you don,t have a reason to believe your drowning. Just like literally thousands of people at this very moment are completely oblivious to the pancreatic cancer they have and don,t know it and will die in 3 months. But its there whether they realize it or not.

Salvation is real. You are just unaware

The bible is real. Your just blind to it.

God is real. Your just what the Bible calls Lost Luke 19:10

Try believing and you will see things you could not see before
 
Yea I know you don,t have a reason to believe your drowning. Just like literally thousands of people at this very moment are completely oblivious to the pancreatic cancer they have and don,t know it and will die in 3 months. But its there whether they realize it or not.

Salvation is real. You are just unaware

The bible is real. Your just blind to it.

God is real. Your just what the Bible calls Lost Luke 19:10

Try believing and you will see things you could not see before




There is no reliable, first-person account of Jesus' words, and what information did you give me validating the Bible's accuracy?
A reliable text would not be full of contradictions, errors, mistranslations, &c.

Why do you think the Bible is a more authoritative reference than the Quran, for example? Couldn't the Muslims make the same claims of historical and religious accuracy? For that matter, couldn't the Pastafarians, as well?

You see these 4 sentences you wrote. They are evidence that you are Lost and dont know your way. Seek the creator The God of Jesus and you will find your way!!
 

Pudding

Well-Known Member
The illogical God has the power to create a new paradise earth, think it would have a logic comprehension beyond us...

See that is part of the questions ambiguity, as it lets us all test our whole scope of religious beliefs, as being the standard for us "being saved."
If the unjust, illogical and irrational religious requirements settings by the illogical god (in god's narrative):
You collecting stamps? You go to hell.
You work on sunday? Hell.
You wear clothing made of different type of fabric? Hell.
You support gender equality? Hell.
How dare you, as a female, dare to teach at your temple, have a job...etc? Hell.
You support blood donation? Hell.
You oppose racism? Hell
You oppose slavery? Hell.
You believe in and follow the wrong specific interpretation of god, out of those thousands of interpretations of gods from those thousands of religions or religion sects? Hell.
You believe in and follow the wrong god's messenger, out of those millions of self-appointed gods' messengers? Hell.
You didn't worship me? Hell
You didn't praise me? Hell.
You didn't kowtow to me? Hell.

As you have said:
Who are we to say; here is a being with a lot more advanced knowledge than any of us have, deciding this is the best outcome...
(snip)
The being made our reality, its levels of comprehension are slightly more advanced than murdering people; thus there is a logical reason for it somewhere, it is just our lack of discernment.
In my opinion. :innocent:
What is the precise requirements to enter paradise and incinerator?
it could be any religious requirements
Should anyone think it's their mistake not to fulfilled those faulty religious requirements?
Should anyone think they should plead the illogical god not to send them to hell?
Should anyone think the illogical god is a being with a lot more advanced knowledge than any of us have, therefor whatever religious requirements he set up must have a logical reason behind that which justified it to be a just, reasonable and rational religious requirements?
 
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sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
So lets say we've already failed, and along comes Judgement day on earth, where after there will be eternal life in paradise on the new earth; everyone else is to be chucked into the incinerator...

What would you plead to show that there has been a mistake in why you should be worth keeping? o_O


In my opinion. :innocent:
We failed. We ate the blue pill instead of the red pill. That's faith.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
Sorry, I am just not seeing it. There is no logical reason for me to worry about such a scenario.
FWIW, I approached this hypothetical in pretty much the same way that I'd approach other important questions like "which would win in a fight: the USS Enterprise or a Star Destroyer?"
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
On judgement day, those that believe and are saved, will have on the robes of righteousness, not our filthy rags of sin. God will look at us and see the redemptive blood of His Son who died so that we might be able to stand before the judgement throne with boldness.
ronandcarol
Seems like you're not abiding by the parameters of @wizanda 's hypothetical: it's a given in the scenario that regardless of what you previously thought about Judgement Day, you're standing before God who is getting ready to cast you into Hell (or just annihilate you or whatever). What would you do in that situation?

Changing the parameters so that God has decided you'll go to Heaven is kinda missing the point, IMO.

Edit: the atheists here suspended their disbelief to go with the premise of God and Judgement Day; if you try hard, I'm sure you can suspend your disbelief in the idea that you're Heaven-bound.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
FWIW, I approached this hypothetical in pretty much the same way that I'd approach other important questions like "which would win in a fight: the USS Enterprise or a Star Destroyer?"
As well you should.

A fitting comparison, IMO, would be to ask "which Republican candidate would Sauron support". The answer may be obvious, or it may not be. But there is only so much significance available for it to borrow.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Given the range of "proper" behaviors, beliefs and attitudes mandated by the world's multifarious religious traditions, hitting the jackpot seems like more a dice roll than a game of skill.
Until the Divine Selector makes the criteria for selection clear, our ultimate fates are out of our hands.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
So lets say we've already failed, and along comes Judgement day on earth, where after there will be eternal life in paradise on the new earth; everyone else is to be chucked into the incinerator...

What would you plead to show that there has been a mistake in why you should be worth keeping? o_O


In my opinion. :innocent:

I'd say, "wait, that mythology is actually true?? Is Thor real too? Because I want to see Thor before I'm eaten by a dragon or some ****."
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
So lets say we've already failed, and along comes Judgement day on earth, where after there will be eternal life in paradise on the new earth; everyone else is to be chucked into the incinerator...

What would you plead to show that there has been a mistake in why you should be worth keeping? o_O


In my opinion. :innocent:
Reading the responses, it is apparent it was a hypothetical intended for those who think they are wits, who don´t believe in judgement, and have little theological knowledge. In other words, a waste of time.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If you ask a question that presupposes certain premises, you shouldn't be surprised if a well considered response questions both the conclusion and the premises.
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
In other words, a waste of time.
Nothing is ever a waste of time for the wise, as we can always learn from the opposite reactions...

So this survey has shown that if Christ gave an appeal option, many would just argue against the premise of it even existing, and forget they have no option to begin with.

It also shows that some religious groups think they're automatically not included, and can't even answer a theoretical question properly.
We are the ones being incinerated, but you think we don't have the right to question it?
Haven't said not to question it, said to appeal the whole case with your best arguments...

All I'm saying is the being we're dealing with is 100% logical, and thus it has to be a good argument; not arguments of thinking the being is stupid, therefore we don't have to listen to a being that has the potential to create a new reality.

My mum gave a great argument for example, she asked the being what it wanted, and emphasized with its qualities to find out what it's criteria were...

Most are so full of their own ego, they answer from their own rejections, and don't assess the being who is the authority in the situation...

Which proves we're near Hell, as everyone wants to argue first, before reason.
So you would have advised the Native Americans to accept Manifest Destiny?
This is a totally different situation; the early Americans performing the actions of the Manifest Destiny wern't doing so based on logic, yet greed.

In my opinion. :innocent:
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
Nothing is ever a waste of time for the wise, as we can always learn from the opposite reactions...

So this survey has shown that if Christ gave an appeal option, many would just argue against the premise of it even existing, and forget they have no option to begin with.

It also shows that some religious groups think they're automatically not included, and can't even answer a theoretical question properly.

Haven't said not to question it, said to appeal the whole case with your best arguments...

All I'm saying is the being we're dealing with is 100% logical, and thus it has to be a good argument; not arguments of thinking the being is stupid, therefore we don't have to listen to a being that has the potential to create a new reality.

My mum gave a great argument for example, she asked the being what it wanted, and emphasized with its qualities to find out what it's criteria were...

Most are so full of their own ego, they answer from their own rejections, and don't assess the being who is the authority in the situation...

Which proves we're near Hell, as everyone wants to argue first, before reason.

This is a totally different situation; the early Americans performing the actions of the Manifest Destiny wern't doing so based on logic, yet greed.

In my opinion. :innocent:
Twice your referenced logic. Today something being logical means " I have an opinion, therefore it is logical ". Not so, logic is a method of thought, with rules, that leans to a logical conclusion. Logic is a discipline, a method.

As to an eternal hell that tortures people forever, the Bible DOES NOT support this idea.,
 

wizanda

One Accepts All Religious Texts
Premium Member
As to an eternal hell that tortures people forever, the Bible DOES NOT support this idea.,
The OP said we're sent to the incinerator to be destroyed....

This isn't a Biblical scriptures debate, and that is wrong; the Bible says the worm does not die in the fire (Mark 9:47-48), and some are sent to everlasting torment (Matthew 25:46).
Logic is a discipline, a method.
If we understood the method of logical reasoning, we'd have notice the OP sets out a couple of premise, and that it was a hypothetical question; therefore there would be a logical answer within the confinements of the criteria set.

In my opinion.
:innocent:
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
The OP said we're sent to the incinerator to be destroyed....

This isn't a Biblical scriptures debate, and that is wrong; the Bible says the worm does not die in the fire (Mark 9:47-48), and some are sent to everlasting torment (Matthew 25:46).

If we understood the method of logical reasoning, we'd have notice the OP sets out a couple of premise, and that it was a hypothetical question; therefore there would be a logical answer within the confinements of the criteria set.

A closer examination of the scriptures quoted, in the Koine Greek, in full context, leads to different conclusion. A discussion for another time, perhaps
 
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