Is Islam peaceful?

[corynski]

The verse you brought up mentioned the Jews and Christians. The answer was, the Jews rejected Muhammad pbuh for not being a Jew and claiming they had corrupted the Torah. The Christians too denied him for claiming Jesus pbuh was a Prophet of God, and wasn't killed or crucified. For this reason these two groups turned their back on God even though both Deut 18:18, Isaiah 42 and the words of Jesus pbuh in the NT made clear he would be a non Jewish Prophet, who they must listen to or be amongst the losers. This is theology, which I think doesn't interest you, but anyway, I'm trying to give context to the verse you cited.

Muslim-UK said, "This is theology..."

And theology is fiction. To me you believe in a belief system that has no reality. Is there some reason that you are not a Jain or a Shinto? Perhaps you were born and raised a Muslim, and weren't raised to believe in Buddha or Shiva.

 

[corynski]

How can you, using the Scientific method prove Science is 100% factual?

If there was a GOD, could you please explain what His attributes would be? I say, 'He' out of respect, not because God is male or female.

I must protest at this point because you are asking me to explain why Christian claim the Bible states Jesus pbuh was coming back. I would rather let a Christian answer that, because as a Muslim, I can only give answers from my Religion, and believe the Bible has been changed, and words put into the mouth of Jesus pbuh.

Muslim-UK said, "How can you, using the Scientific method prove Science is 100% factual?"
Science works is all I know, religion does not. Science is evidence that can be agreed upon, corroborated by others, and ultimately because science 'works'. Tell me how a world of people with umpteen different 'gods' can avoid killing each other when their 'god' tells them in a 'holy' book who to kill and not kill. You don't perceive that religions don't 'work'?

 

[Muslim-UK]

And theology is fiction. To me you believe in a belief system that has no reality.

Billions of people would disagree, including Tens of Millions of people who over the years have come to Islam from all sorts of backgrounds.

Is there some reason that you are not a Jain or a Shinto? Perhaps you were born and raised a Muslim, and weren't raised to believe in Buddha or Shiva.

I believe from the evidence inside me, order function, consciousness, ability to reason and use logic, together with evidence around me in nature and the Cosmos, that I must have been created. I can further deduce from this, that my Creator must be ONE entity and just as all complex things created by mankind come with a user manual, so too must God have given a user manual for the most complex of creatures, mankind. This naturally leads to finding God within the Abrahamic faiths and here I am, happy as can be with Islam.

Does that mean Islam alone has all the truth of God? No of course not, I'm sure there's much wisdom and guidance in the belief systems you mentioned.

 

[corynski]

Muslim-UK.... Do you believe that evolution is true? I think Christianity evolved out of Judaism, and Islam evolved out of Christianity. And Judaism evolved out of whatever religious thought was present at the time. Just as languages evolve one from another.......

 

[Muslim-UK]

Science works is all I know, religion does not. Science is evidence that can be agreed upon, corroborated by others, and ultimately because science 'works'.

Within the Science community there are often several hypothesis on any given subject matter. If people agreeing with one another is the benchmark, then how can you exclude the majority of the World's 7.5 Billion people who agree in the existence of GOD or some sort of afterlife? Your logic is questionable.

Further to that, Science as a tool is limited and neither confirms or denies the existence of a GOD like being because it simply is ill equipped to answer the question. It would be like giving you a tape measure and asking you to to tell me how much I weighed.

Tell me how a world of people with umpteen different 'gods' can avoid killing each other when their 'god' tells them in a 'holy' book who to kill and not kill. You don't perceive that religions don't 'work'?

This is a silly argument. My understanding is neither Hitler, Stalin or the Countries that participated in World wars 1 & 2 were religious or fought due to religious reasons, yet 100's of Millions died.

 

[Muslim-UK]

Muslim-UK.... Do you believe that evolution is true? I think Christianity evolved out of Judaism, and Islam evolved out of Christianity. And Judaism evolved out of whatever religious thought was present at the time. Just as languages evolve one from another.......

Yes Evolution theory is compatible with religions. The notion that one species of animal slowly transformed into a completely different species over a period of Millions of years is contested, even amongst the Science Community. Yes religions evolved too, starting with the first modern humans of our age, Adam and Eve, peace be upon them.

 

[corynski]

Billions of people would disagree, including Tens of Millions of people who over the years have come to Islam from all sorts of backgrounds.

I believe from the evidence inside me, order function, consciousness, ability to reason and use logic, together with evidence around me in nature and the Cosmos, that I must have been created. I can further deduce from this, that my Creator must be ONE entity and just as all complex things created by mankind come with a user manual, so too must God have given a user manual for the most complex of creatures, mankind. This naturally leads to finding God within the Abrahamic faiths and here I am, happy as can be with Islam.

Does that mean Islam alone has all the truth of God? No of course not, I'm sure there's much wisdom and guidance in the belief systems you mentioned.

Muslim-UK said, "This naturally leads to finding God within the Abrahamic faiths....."

And what could the word 'naturally' mean in this context? You're saying that all the Indian people don't 'naturally' have the same gods as you and others do? Would not being a Deist like George Washington be natural? Were you indoctrinated with Islam from birth? What I'm saying is, how do you trust evidence from 'inside' you, when it appears contradictory to the reality of hundreds and thousands of gods?

 

[Revoltingest]

The verse you brought up mentioned the Jews and Christians. The answer was, the Jews rejected Muhammad pbuh for not being a Jew and claiming they had corrupted the Torah. The Christians too denied him for claiming Jesus pbuh was a Prophet of God, and wasn't killed or crucified. For this reason these two groups turned their back on God even though both Deut 18:18, Isaiah 42 and the words of Jesus pbuh in the NT made clear he would be a non Jewish Prophet, who they must listen to or be amongst the losers. This is theology, which I think doesn't interest you, but anyway, I'm trying to give context to the verse you cited.

From their perspective, they could say Muslims turned their backs
against God by following a false prophet & false god. None of these
believers can prove themselves right, or prove the others wrong.

In other words, it's the ultimate failure of discerning reality, ie,
they're not right....they're not even wrong.

 

[corynski]

Within the Science community there are often several hypothesis on any given subject matter. If people agreeing with one another is the benchmark, then how can you exclude the majority of the World's 7.5 Billion people who agree in the existence of GOD or some sort of afterlife? Your logic is questionable.

Further to that, Science as a tool is limited and neither confirms or denies the existence of a GOD like being because it simply is ill equipped to answer the question. It would be like giving you a tape measure and asking you to to tell me how much I weighed.


This is a silly argument. My understanding is neither Hitler, Stalin or the Countries that participated in World wars 1 & 2 were religious or fought due to religious reasons, yet 100's of Millions died.

Muslim-UK said, "how can you exclude the majority of the World's 7.5 Billion people who agree in the existence of GOD or some sort of afterlife?"

I like to think about anthropology with regard to group solidarity. Religions as belief systems have evolved for group solidarity, and to my knowledge no group is without a central belief system. For the thousands of years of human evolution survival was the paramount purpose of everything a group did, and having a powerful 'creator' god became part of the paradigm. Yahweh was a storm god from the south it is told.....

How many people believed the earth was flat, before science proved it was otherwise. I think it was Magellan who was said to have said "The church says the earth is flat, but I know that it is round, for I have seen it's shadow on the moon, and I have more faith in a shadow than in the church."

 

[Muslim-UK]

And what could the word 'naturally' mean in this context? You're saying that all the Indian people don't 'naturally' have the same gods as you and others do? Would not being a Deist like George Washington be natural?

Recall I had concluded GOD must be ONE and have sent instructions to complex human beings.

So we are looking for a revealed religion preaching strict Monotheism with a instruction manual that has to have been preserved. See where I'm going with this?

Were you indoctrinated with Islam from birth? What I'm saying is, how do you trust evidence from 'inside' you, when it appears contradictory to the reality of hundreds and thousands of gods?

I grew up in a non religious household with Muslim parents. The evidence within is order and function of organs, clear evidence of design.

Subjective unverifiable evidence includes people who've had NDE's, the world of the Jinn and the power of the Qur'an....

Consider this verse....

And [mention] when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." [This] - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware." Qur'an 7:172

God is telling ALL humans, they existed before entering their earthly body and made a covenant with Him.

Now consider the response of people who don't even understand what is being recited..

They are using words like, Remember, hope, asking, prayer, reminiscing.

 

[corynski]

Yes Evolution theory is compatible with religions. The notion that one species of animal slowly transformed into a completely different species over a period of Millions of years is contested, even amongst the Science Community. Yes religions evolved too, starting with the first modern humans of our age, Adam and Eve, peace be upon them.

Muslim-UK said, "starting with the first modern humans of our age, Adam and Eve,"

Seriously, what evidence would make you believe that 'Adam and Eve' actually existed? The Canaanites were living in the middle east for 2000 years before the Jewish god decided they should be annihilated, to be destroyed completely..... etc., etc.

 

[England my lionheart]

Hi I'm student from Thailand. Now I'm doing research. I would like to ask you some questions. Is Islam peaceful? Thx for you opinion

Welcome to the RF,is Islam peaceful?,the Quran doesn't make me think so and theres lots of violent threats to others in it much like the bible and even how to treat a slave and bbq unbelievers.

I think Islam since 1928 and the foundation of the muslim brotherhood or jamat at al-ikhwan al-muslimin from Egypt who spawned the PLO Hamas and a few notable members like Osama bin laden and the man who organised 9/11,there are other groups and people but I haven't all day to type it all.

The brotherhoods motto:Allah is our objective.The prophet our leader.quran is our law.Jihad is our way.Dying in the way of Allah our highest hope.

Its all down hill from here and what we have today,when you have followers of Islam that are fans of hitler like al banna and husseini the grand mufti of Egypt you get Palestine Iraq Iran etc etc.

 

[Muslim-UK]

From their perspective, they could say Muslims turned their backs
against God by following a false prophet & false god.

Which side did GOD back?

None of these believers can prove themselves right, or prove the others wrong.

And as you know from this forum, we are often seeing what Scripture and History has to say on the matters of dispute.

In other words, it's the ultimate failure of discerning reality, ie,
they're not right....they're not even wrong.

Here's more facts:

Jews were the chosen people. Chosen to be a light to other Nations on how to worship GOD. They neglected that responsibility.

The majority of Atheists come from Christian backgrounds, having found the concept of God and stories in the Bible hard to fathom.

Islam continues to gain new reverts and is said to become the largest Religion within 70 years. Already it is number one in terms of the faithful praying on Fridays, fasting etc even in the West where people do these things of their own accord, without family forcing them to be 'good' Muslims.

Muslims are far from perfect, but there certainly seems to be something behind the Religion of Islam helping it along.

 

[Muslim-UK]

Seriously, what evidence would make you believe that 'Adam and Eve' actually existed? The Canaanites were living in the middle east for 2000 years before the Jewish god decided they should be annihilated, to be destroyed completely..... etc., etc.

The same evidence you have to show your Great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great Grand Parents existed. You've never seen them, nor can you name them, but using logic you accept they must have existed. Similarly DNA within humans points to a common ancestor. We originated from Africa or where ever the latest theory of 'Science' points to.

 

[Revoltingest]

Which side did GOD back?

I see no evidence that he backs one over the other.

Jews were the chosen people. Chosen to be a light to other Nations on how to worship GOD. They neglected that responsibility.

They don't look chosen to me.
And neither do they set an example I'd want to follow.

The majority of Atheists come from Christian backgrounds, having found the concept of God and stories in the Bible hard to fathom.

I'm not from a Xian background.
So I find both Xianity & Islam impossible to believe.
Just fantastic stories.

Islam continues to gain new reverts and is said to become the largest Religion within 70 years. Already it is number one in terms of the faithful praying on Fridays, fasting etc even in the West where people do these things of their own accord, without family forcing them to be 'good' Muslims.

Do you think popularity is evidence of truth?

And then there's the other problem....they don't all adopt the same version of Islam.
If Allah were all that smart & powerful, he'd instill a single message in his adherents.
But no....they practice different beliefs, different values, & will kill each other over them.

Muslims are far from perfect, but there certainly seems to be something behind the Religion of Islam helping it along.

So many Muslims are so far from perfect.....if they're no better than we non-believers are, what use is it?

 

[corynski]

Recall I had concluded GOD must be ONE and have sent instructions to complex human beings.

So we are looking for a revealed religion preaching strict Monotheism with a instruction manual that has to have been preserved. See where I'm going with this?

I grew up in a non religious household with Muslim parents. The evidence within is order and function of organs, clear evidence of design.

Subjective unverifiable evidence includes people who've had NDE's, the world of the Jinn and the power of the Qur'an....

Consider this verse....
And [mention] when your Lord took from the children of Adam - from their loins - their descendants and made them testify of themselves, [saying to them], "Am I not your Lord?" They said, "Yes, we have testified." [This] - lest you should say on the day of Resurrection, "Indeed, we were of this unaware." Qur'an 7:172

God is telling ALL humans, they existed before entering their earthly body and made a covenant with Him.

Now consider the response of people who don't even understand what is being recited..

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Muslim-UK said, 'They are using words like, Remember, hope, asking, prayer, reminiscing.

I fail to see your point in the above statement.

 

[YmirGF]

Islam continues to gain new reverts and is said to become the largest Religion within 70 years. Already it is number one in terms of the faithful praying on Fridays, fasting etc even in the West where people do these things of their own accord, without family forcing them to be 'good' Muslims.

Muslims are far from perfect, but there certainly seems to be something behind the Religion of Islam helping it along.

You make it sound like a metastasizing cancer.

 

[England my lionheart]

You make it sound like a metastasizing cancer.

The plan is to outbreed us without affecting the job market

 

[icehorse]

Because you don't understand the quran.

The Quran declares itself to be easy to understand. So if I think I understand it, and you say I don't, it would seem that the Quran is on my side.

 

[Jumi]

Which side did GOD back?

Looking at history, if God backed anyone, wouldn't they be the most powerful of the time? China for most of their history would seem chosen.

Jews were the chosen people. Chosen to be a light to other Nations on how to worship GOD. They neglected that responsibility.

Wouldn't that mean God made a mistake, something that he didn't foresee? An omniscient God wouldn't choose wrong.

The majority of Atheists come from Christian backgrounds, having found the concept of God and stories in the Bible hard to fathom.

Christianity was rather strong, but many chose to fight against science which made people lose faith in it. I'd expect any religion that tries to fight science facts to lose out in the end, if the people are educated.

Muslims are far from perfect, but there certainly seems to be something behind the Religion of Islam helping it along.

There's an endless amount of claims of people claiming to show some were helped along by their God.