Is Peace on Earth Really God's Goal????

[Murad]

Eternity has Purpose.

As I see it, God is not Mankind. A Better Way stares you in the face.

And if your Lord had willed, He could have made mankind one community; but they will not cease to differ.
Except whom your Lord has given mercy, and for that He created them. But the word of your Lord is to be fulfilled that, "I will surely fill Hell with jinn and men all together.

 

[eldios]

I find that Jeremiah 6:14; 8:11 is compatible with what lies ahead of us as written at 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 when ' they ' (the powers that be) will be saying, " Peace and Safety " or " Peace and Security " as the ' final signal ', so to speak, as the precursor to the coming great tribulation of Revelation 7:14 before Jesus, as Prince of Peace, ushers in global Peace on Earth among people of goodwill.

Yes, Men created in the image of God will have to wait until after all flesh of man has been destroyed on the day of the Lord. Then all created men will enjoy a peaceful life in their new bodies.

 

[Bird123]

What truth? Lay out your claims about what is true and if it stands up to scrutiny, then great. But don't just assert you have some kind of truths and then ask people to take your word, or go figure it out on their own. Make your case and support it with at least a modicum of verifiable, testable evidence. That is reasonable.

As has been said, a claim without evidence can be rejected without evidence.

Everyone must choose for themselves what to do with the information they receive in this world. Your journey has never been up to me. Perhaps it's all a test of intelligence.

 

[Bird123]

I don't believe in Michael Newton and his Journey of Souls. If life is irrational with inequality and the people in it , remember the people in it not God, creating suffering because of their bum bodies it's not to learn anything it's because it's irrational.

Questions you have to ask yourself are: what God would teach anything through rape and murder? If you rationalize only reincarnated Rapists and Murders get that justice in life then it really is pissing on the victim. The reality is these people, along with many people on Earth, are Monsters. We are meant to escape this place not solve it. Why solve a clod of dirt when Heaven awaits?

What if the rape victim was a rapist in a past life? What would be realized then?
If you were a murderer in a past life and the one you loved most were murdered in this life, what would you learn about murder?
There are also wonderful souls who volunteer to go through great adversity in order that someone else learns. Could the loved one of that past murderer be one of these volunteers? The people factor carries many more variables than the mere physics of this world.

Will anger, hate and revenge solve the real problems? Problems only really go away when the lessons are learned?

If Heaven awaits to free you from your clod of dirt and the lessons are not learned, how long will it take for your Heaven to turn into your clod of dirt?

 

[Daisies4me]

It seems most people I know pray for World Peace. They tell me that is what God wants. I don't see it.



As I see it, life is the education of God's children. So often that takes adversity, challenges, and interaction to advance the lessons. The resolution of conflict always brings education of some sort.



Having peace and having it made seems to be a default desire of most people. On the other hand, as I see it, God's goal is the education of God's children. Peace will only arrive after all the lessons are learned.

What do you think??

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Hi Bird

I believe it is as God has stated in His Inspired Written Word to mankind, the Bible.
Initially there was peace. Peace was lost. Peace will be regained.

There will forevermore be the record of how peace was lost, and thru what means God was able to bring rebellious mankind back to the completion of His Original Purpose for mankind and the earth.
And further rebellions will be instantly dealt with, no more dragging things out, and suffering of others, if one chooses to rebel.


peace

 

[Daisies4me]

The most delusional people I know believe that God has, or even needs, a goal (or plan, for that matter).

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The Almighty God of the Bible is a God, not of disorder, but is a God of Peace.
WIthout order, there can be no peace.

think about it.

peace to you

 

[Daisies4me]

I dont see it. We humans are being egotistical to say god cares about us and no other person in the galaxy. As if god is only limited to people on earth.

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Hi Carlita

The Biblical account only deals with the planet earth and the heavenly realm of God. Because the rebellion against God's rulership happened ON EARTH, and thereby created a situation that had to be resolved. No other planets, or inhabitants, if they exist, are included in the outworking of God's plan for the earth and humankind.

The matter is only applicable to the planet earth. The rebellion happened on earth. God's Son was sent to earth to provide the Ransom sacrifice for repentant mankind. The final judgment of the rebels will occur on earth.
And the original purpose for the earth and mankind will yet come to pass, as God purposed it to be. Right here on the very earth we are inhabiting right now.

peace

 

[Unveiled Artist]

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Hi Carlita

The Biblical account only deals with the planet earth and the heavenly realm of God. Because the rebellion against God's rulership happened ON EARTH, and thereby created a situation that had to be resolved. No other planets, or inhabitants, if they exist, are included in the outworking of God's plan for the earth and humankind.

The matter is only applicable to the planet earth. The rebellion happened on earth. God's Son was sent to earth to provide the Ransom sacrifice for repentant mankind. The final judgment of the rebels will occur on earth.
And the original purpose for the earth and mankind will yet come to pass, as God purposed it to be. Right here on the very earth we are inhabiting right now.

peace

Just saying all of what you said (the post itself not you) is based on ego. I don't see how it makes sense that god would be or limit himself to earth. That's a dead ball sign that god (as with all religion) comes from ourselves not an outside party.

 

[Daisies4me]

I would agree mostly. I think its our given goal to achieve peace in life. I also believe it was given to us as a litmus test. We have choice, what choices are we going to make to achieve peace. I believe God is seeking equals not worshipers,and there may be more lives or different challenges after this one.

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Hi bob
I believe that the Bible teaches people how to achieve peace, as far as it depends upon us, if only we would study it and listen to and obey the instructions God has given to mankind.

And no, I do not believe that God is seeking 'equals' at all. He ALONE is THE Almighty, the Most High over all things. As it should be. Even Jesus is in subjection to God Almighty, as is so stated for us at 1 Corinthians 11:3.
There can be no peace with disorder. The God of the Bible is a God, not of disorder, but is a God of peace. Therefore, the headship arrangement for peace.
He created humans with an innate desire to worship. And He , Himself, is God to all humankind who obeys Him. see Ecclesiastes 12:13.

There is only ONE True God, over all the earth, who will bring peace to the earth . He has a Name. His Name is Jehovah, the most commonly used in pronunciation the English language. That name is a verb, and a name that He chose for Himself. It means 'He causes to become'.
See Psalm 83:18 in most KJV translations and others as well, although many have removed the Divine Name and replaced it with titles such as LORD or God. Also, when Jesus was praying to His God and Father, he called The Almighty God, 'the ONLY TRUE God, at John 17:3.

Humans must subject themselves to His Theocratic rulership over the earth in order to attain to True Peace and Security.

Peace to you

 

[Daisies4me]

Just saying all of what you said (the post itself not you) is based on ego. I don't see how it makes sense that god would be or limit himself to earth. That's a dead ball sign that god (as with all religion) comes from ourselves not an outside party.

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Hi carlita

Who said that God would 'be limited to the earth'? (not I, said the fly... ) God does not reside on the earth. He created the earth for the man, and the man for the earth.

Psalms 115:16, "As for the heavens, they belong to Jehovah. But the earth he has given to the sons of men."

Isaiah 66:1 , "This is what Jehovah says: 'The heavens are my throne, and the earth is my footstool. ...'"

Perhaps you misunderstood. the Bible was written on earth, for the people of the earth, and everything in it pertains to the people who live on the earth. Why? Because the rebellion against God took place on the earth. The rebellion is about who can rule the earth better--- the Creator, God, or the rebel angel turned demon, Satan.(?)
The outcome of God allowing Satan to try to prove himself to be a better ruler than God, is what you see around you today. But those 'times of the nations' are concluded, and the removal of the rebel and all who follow him, are in the works as we speak. Which is why there is unprecedented turmoil all around the globe.

You may recall the conversation in the beginning of the Bible book of Genesis, which gives us the accounting of what happened in the beginning, that got us to where we are now.

It was all prophesied long ago.

peace

 

[Unveiled Artist]

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Hi carlita

Who said that God would 'be limited to the earth'? (not I, said the fly... ) God does not reside on the earth. He created the earth for the man, and the man for the earth.

Psalms 115:16, "As for the heavens, they belong to Jehovah. But the earth he has given to the sons of men."

Isaiah 66:1 , "This is what Jehovah says: 'The heavens are my throne, and the earth is my footstool. ...'"

Perhaps you misunderstood. the Bible was written on earth, for the people of the earth, and everything in it pertains to the people who live on the earth. Why? Because the rebellion against God took place on the earth. The rebellion is about who can rule the earth better--- the Creator, God, or the rebel angel turned demon, Satan.(?)
The outcome of God allowing Satan to try to prove himself to be a better ruler than God, is what you see around you today. But those 'times of the nations' are concluded, and the removal of the rebel and all who follow him, are in the works as we speak. Which is why there is unprecedented turmoil all around the globe.

You may recall the conversation in the beginning of the Bible book of Genesis, which gives us the accounting of what happened in the beginning, that got us to where we are now.

It was all prophesied long ago.

peace

The bible does not help because it's just confirming that everything they believe in comes from them-their interpretations and ways of explaining the world around them. I honestly don't see how the bible is sacred given it was near 2,000 some odd years when it was put together to begin with. That's not genesis.

All your references come from this earth. All the perceptions from this earth about something else and someone else does not make it true because it comes from us-from this earth. Unless you know something outside of this earth (outside of the bible-written by people on earth) and so forth, there is nothing more to god as a religion than the experiences and perceptions we have from our mind and understanding of our place in the world, people and environment.

It comes from us.

 

[Daisies4me]

The bible does not help because it's just confirming that everything they believe in comes from them-their interpretations and ways of explaining the world around them. I honestly don't see how the bible is sacred given it was near 2,000 some odd years when it was put together to begin with. That's not genesis.

All your references come from this earth. All the perceptions from this earth about something else and someone else does not make it true because it comes from us-from this earth. Unless you know something outside of this earth (outside of the bible-written by people on earth) and so forth, there is nothing more to god as a religion than the experiences and perceptions we have from our mind and understanding of our place in the world, people and environment.

It comes from us.

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Hi Carlita

So you don't believe that God in the heavens, the spirit realm, has the power to Inspire the writing of the Holy Scriptures by humans, for man's benefit?

If you think that everything comes from man, who created the earth , and how did humans come to life?

Saying that 'it comes from us' seems to say that you think that humans are gods. Is that right?

peace to you

 

[Unveiled Artist]

So you don't believe that God in the heavens, the spirit realm, has the power to Inspire the writing of the Holy Scriptures by humans, for man's benefit?

No. A lot of people don't. This belief isn't a "common sense" fact. It's a belief. It's true for some and not for others. It's not a fact.

If you think that everything comes from man, who created the earth , and how did humans come to life?

I never asked the question. If I thought about it, a collection of gasses, atoms, heat, and all the other biological elements that put a human body and brain together.

Is it an important question to know the answer to?

Saying that 'it comes from us' seems to say that you think that humans are gods. Is that right?

No. God and our experiences and religion comes from our mind, experiences and perceptions of the world. How we see the world, interpret it, and just our basic interactions with people, environment, and self.

For example, the question of "how did humans come to life?" is a question of if you don't believe, then how did we came to be. type of view. So, belief in god answers those questions but it is a belief of the person not a fact for everyone. It's a way of making sense of the world.

I have yet to find a reference in the bible and any sacred scripture and person that does not reference god to something and someone on earth.

If god is "unknowable" there'd be nothing written about him we would understand. The bible isn't an exclusion.

 

[arthra]

If you read the Bible you will find verses inspiring people to look forward to peace.. and yes I think we have to day a "new heaven and a new earth"....

9:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.

29:12 Then shall ye call upon me, and ye shall go and pray unto me, and I will hearken unto you.

29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

(King James Bible, Jeremiah)

5:23 For thou shalt be in league with the stones of the field: and the beasts of the field shall be at peace with thee.

5:24 And thou shalt know that thy tabernacle shall be in peace; and thou shalt visit thy habitation, and shalt not sin.

(King James Bible, Job)

9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

9:7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

(King James Bible, Isaiah)

 

[Vaderecta]

It seems most people I know pray for World Peace. They tell me that is what God wants. I don't see it.



As I see it, life is the education of God's children. So often that takes adversity, challenges, and interaction to advance the lessons. The resolution of conflict always brings education of some sort.



Having peace and having it made seems to be a default desire of most people. On the other hand, as I see it, God's goal is the education of God's children. Peace will only arrive after all the lessons are learned.

What do you think??

Disparate beliefs in a "God" will lead to conflict. Many versions of beliefs in a "God" exist that would lead to conflict.

I think you have caught on pretty quick.

 

[Bird123]

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Hi Bird

I believe it is as God has stated in His Inspired Written Word to mankind, the Bible.
Initially there was peace. Peace was lost. Peace will be regained.

There will forevermore be the record of how peace was lost, and thru what means God was able to bring rebellious mankind back to the completion of His Original Purpose for mankind and the earth.
And further rebellions will be instantly dealt with, no more dragging things out, and suffering of others, if one chooses to rebel.


peace

It was not God that told you that He inspired the Bible. It was mankind. What would you expect them to say in order to get followers?

As I see it, you are taking the stories of mankind and trying to create reality out of them. I think you should question more and accept less.

Finally, are you telling me that a Being capable of creating the universe and this world is not capable of handling a few wayward children without frying them in Hell or destroying them? From my view, that God would come up lacking in so many ways.

 

[Bird123]

Disparate beliefs in a "God" will lead to conflict. Many versions of beliefs in a "God" exist that would lead to conflict.

I think you have caught on pretty quick.

Perhaps the lesson for everyone is to leave Beliefs by the wayside and Discover the Facts regardless how one feels about those Facts. If one choose to live in a world of beliefs ignoring true reality, does that not invite the conflict and adversity that will lead one to Think their way back to Reality?

Of course, each should make their own choices then learn from the lessons that follow.

 

[bobhikes]

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Hi bob
I believe that the Bible teaches people how to achieve peace, as far as it depends upon us, if only we would study it and listen to and obey the instructions God has given to mankind.

And no, I do not believe that God is seeking 'equals' at all. He ALONE is THE Almighty, the Most High over all things. As it should be. Even Jesus is in subjection to God Almighty, as is so stated for us at 1 Corinthians 11:3.
There can be no peace with disorder. The God of the Bible is a God, not of disorder, but is a God of peace. Therefore, the headship arrangement for peace.
He created humans with an innate desire to worship. And He , Himself, is God to all humankind who obeys Him. see Ecclesiastes 12:13.

There is only ONE True God, over all the earth, who will bring peace to the earth . He has a Name. His Name is Jehovah, the most commonly used in pronunciation the English language. That name is a verb, and a name that He chose for Himself. It means 'He causes to become'.
See Psalm 83:18 in most KJV translations and others as well, although many have removed the Divine Name and replaced it with titles such as LORD or God. Also, when Jesus was praying to His God and Father, he called The Almighty God, 'the ONLY TRUE God, at John 17:3.

Humans must subject themselves to His Theocratic rulership over the earth in order to attain to True Peace and Security.

Peace to you

Your words do not bring peace but slavery. Yes the master is always Theocratic and must be addressed a certain way and wants worship and us to obey him or else be punished. Your god not mine.

 

[roger1440]

Prayer is more effective if one prays to change how one lives within the world rather than praying to change the world in which one lives. You want to change the world, great, go for it. Start with the man in the mirror.

 

[BSM1]

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The Almighty God of the Bible is a God, not of disorder, but is a God of Peace.
WIthout order, there can be no peace.

think about it.

peace to you

So who, or what, creates disorder? Isa. 45-7.