Did Jesus Claim to be God?

[Muffled]

That's..... exactly what I'm saying!!!...... The bible tells us that too. God works through His son... God gave everything to His son... Why would you say something different?

Now that's a topic in it's self... Your saying that the body is the mind? Cant see that.... Doesnt in many cases in scripture write that the mind is the spirit? Or the spirit is the mind or the way we think? We have to have the spirit of Christ or the "mind" of Christ. What is "Spirit" for you? How can the body be the mind? Not really sure what your saying here. Are you saying the the "spirit" is a separate thing from the body? LIke a "soul"?

When the body dies, the mind dies too. Everything dies in us, all of our organs, like liver, heart, brain, which makes us think and remember things. That dies too. Do you think there is something else in death that the bible doesnt teach? Just curious.....

Second, we only have one will. IT's the one that we want to do and chose whether it's about God's ways or not. We have multiple choices though.....

Wait a minute...... did you just say that Jesus is the Father? Who told you that one? So the son prays to himself, the father? And the son is the father and the father is the son..... I hope I read that wrong.....

No I believe what you said was that the Father works in Jesus which is a different perception.

No I believe I am saying that the physical mind is part of the physical body.

I believe the spirit has a mind of its own that is not physical.

I believe a spirit can exist outside a body but inside the body the two become a living soul.

I believe the spirit lives on and the Bible teaches that.

I believe you are quite wrong about that. Have you never heard about a person being double minded?

I believe I did not and would not.

I believe this is essentially true. The self is the Son and Father.

I believe you missed the keyword "in."

 

[Muffled]

If you believe Jesus as God, to me it deserves an explanation also of how that come to be, 2 Gods? God the Father and God the Son says 2 the Holy Spirit makes 3 and the Trinity isn't in the bible, but to me theres no way of defending Jesus is God without explaining the fact that the bible says hes the Son over and over . If hes the Son how can he be the Father? Theres no way to explain the Trinity.

I believe there is no evidence that there are three Gods.The Trinity is one God in the Father, the Son and the Paraclete. That is what the Bible states.

I believe the Bible is clear that the Son is God.

The Son is not the Father but both are God.

I believe there is.

 

[Muffled]

The word trinity itself doesn't even exist in the bible.

Welcome to the club. I believe you must be the nth person who has said this. It is entirely reasonable to use a term to describe a concept. The word :"Trinity" is used to describe the concept of God inside and outside a body. The concept can be found in the Bible.

 

[Hockeycowboy]

The word :"Trinity" is used to describe the concept of God inside and outside a body. The concept can be found in the Bible.

You keep on saying that. Where?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Can you list one verse where Jesus said He was Michael?

1 Thessalonians 4:16 is in connection to the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus. Isn't Jesus the Lord who has the archangel's voice ?__________- Jude 1:9

 

[metis]

I believe there is no evidence that there are three Gods.The Trinity is one God in the Father, the Son and the Paraclete. That is what the Bible states.

Actually it doesn't actually say that-- it's an interpretation.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

1 Thessalonians 4:16 is in connection to the resurrected ascended-to-heaven Jesus. Isn't Jesus the Lord who has the archangel's voice ?__________- Jude 1:9

1Th 4:16 (ESVST) 16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God.

It says, "with the sound of an archangels voice", it doesn't say "the Lord Himself, who has the archangel's voice".

Doesn't a judge enter the courtroom with the voice of the bailiff? Does that make the judge a bailiff? Doesn't the bailiff give a cry of command saying, "all rise for the honorable judge so~n~so"?

 

[Muffled]

Actually it doesn't actually say that-- it's an interpretation.

I believe everything said about the Bible is an interpretation but it is true that those exact words are not in the Bible but the concept is.

 

[Muffled]

You keep on saying that. Where?

I believe it is in John 14.

 

[metis]

I believe everything said about the Bible is an interpretation but it is true that those exact words are not in the Bible but the concept is.

"A" concept, not "the" concept. Interpretations varied on this in the early church.

 

[Muffled]

"A" concept, not "the" concept. Interpretations varied on this in the early church.

I believe not all concepts are correct. However the concept of the Trinity being God is correct.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Heres proof for my point from the bible itself Mark

Luke 4:8, King James Version ... for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

That is proof that Jesus is God, "Him only shalt thou serve",

Rom 1:1 (HCSBFree) 1 Paul, a slave of Christ Jesus, called as an apostle and singled out for God's good news

Gal 1:10 (ESVST) 10 For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

Col 4:12 (HCSBFree) 12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a slave of Christ Jesus, greets you.

 

[metis]

I believe not all concepts are correct. However the concept of the Trinity being God is correct.

And how could possibly know that with any certainty? It's one thing to believe as such, but your wording has it as a slam-dunk fact whereas the very early church really struggled over this. How could you possibly know more than they did?

 

[Muffled]

And how could possibly know that with any certainty? It's one thing to believe as such, but your wording has it as a slam-dunk fact whereas the very early church really struggled over this. How could you possibly know more than they did?

I believe my relationship with God is better than those who were in error.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

And how could possibly know that with any certainty? It's one thing to believe as such, but your wording has it as a slam-dunk fact whereas the very early church really struggled over this. How could you possibly know more than they did?

Mat 13:3-9 (ESVST) 3 And he told them many things in parables, saying: "A sower went out to sow. 4 And as he sowed, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. 5 Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and immediately they sprang up, since they had no depth of soil, 6 but when the sun rose they were scorched. And since they had no root, they withered away. 7 Other seeds fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked them. 8 Other seeds fell on good soil and produced grain, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. 9 He who has ears, let him hear."

Mat 13:15 (ESVST) 15 For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.

Some people don't want to see and hear the truth. They want it all unicorns and cotton candy.

 

[metis]

Mat 13:3-9 (ESVST) 3 And he told them many things in parables, saying: "A sower went out to sow. 4 And as he sowed, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them. 5 Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and immediately they sprang up, since they had no depth of soil, 6 but when the sun rose they were scorched. And since they had no root, they withered away. 7 Other seeds fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked them. 8 Other seeds fell on good soil and produced grain, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. 9 He who has ears, let him hear."

Mat 13:15 (ESVST) 15 For this people's heart has grown dull, and with their ears they can barely hear, and their eyes they have closed, lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears and understand with their heart and turn, and I would heal them.

Some people don't want to see and hear the truth. They want it all unicorns and cotton candy.

Yes, I'm very familiar with that, but here's the problem: there are roughly 300 Christian denominations and literally thousands of independent churches, each claiming that they are inspired by the Holy Spirit and that they know what the truth is. Capice?

 

[Riders]

Although I would never go back to my United Pentecostal church for anything some of their concepts I agree with. One thing they taught was The Trinity teaching of theres one body Father son and Holy Ghost and 3 heads, is a 3 headed monster and that's what the trinity teaches.

I agree with that 3 and in 1 seems like a 3 headed body which is a mythological monster . If not a monster a Myth for sure, reminds me of the mermaids human upper body fish body on the bottom.

Its funny reading about the 3 headed monster God, Id have to be on LSD to believe it.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Yes, I'm very familiar with that, but here's the problem: there are roughly 300 Christian denominations and literally thousands of independent churches, each claiming that they are inspired by the Holy Spirit and that they know what the truth is. Capice?

So, you think you need one of the 300 denominations or one of the literal thousands of independent churches to hear the truth? You can't get that from the Bible eh?

 

[metis]

So, you think you need one of the 300 denominations or one of the literal thousands of independent churches to hear the truth? You can't get that from the Bible eh?

No, I really don't have to rely on denominations at all to try and ascertain the truth, but I do respect attempts by those seeking the truth, whatever that might be. The Bible is just one source of where at least some truths undoubtedly can be found.

But I also notice you conveniently avoided dealing with my point in my post #269, so maybe you should revisit it and actually try and respond to what was insinuating.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Yes, I'm very familiar with that, but here's the problem: there are roughly 300 Christian denominations and literally thousands of independent churches, each claiming that they are inspired by the Holy Spirit and that they know what the truth is. Capice?

Please keep in mind Jesus was interested in quality and Not quantity according to Matthew 7:21-23

The quality ones would have the hallmark ID as mentioned at John 13:34-35 to have the same self-sacrificing love displayed as Jesus has.