I have another question for YOU to ignore

[savagewind]

The command to make disciples does not match the promise, "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free". For anyone to be commanded to make people believe and obey God is not freedom for either the one who is ordered to make or the subject. It is an impossible work. Tell me, who is free as they obey commands?

Also, whenever anyone hears "go make" (anything), what is the hearer's first thought, in your opinion?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

He shows me how things match or do not match.

And do you believe everything you think or hear as being from Jesus? Or do you study them to make sure?

 

[savagewind]

And do you believe everything you think or hear as being from Jesus?

No, absolutely not. I can imagine sometimes Jesus face palms for me. LOL

Or do you study them to make sure?

I look it up. Just the quickness in which it comes most of the time proves to me it is Jesus communicating. I am smart but not that smart.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

The command to make disciples does not match the promise, "you will know the truth and the truth will set you free". For anyone to be commanded to make people believe and obey God is not freedom for either the one who is ordered to make or the subject. It is an impossible work. Tell me, who is free as they obey commands?

Also, whenever anyone hears "go make" (anything), what is the hearer's first thought, in your opinion?

The command to make disciples is for the ones appointed that task, not for everyone.


I believe the whole of the Body of Christ is to preach this way,

Mat 5:14-16 (ESVST) 14 "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.



So you believe if you follow any of Jesus' commands you aren't free? The ones with the task of making disciples aren't free?

Rom 10:14-15 (ESVST) 14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent?

 

[savagewind]

It isn't your responsibility if they don't. You're getting the responsibility part mixed up. This is also why the disciples were not to try to convince people who were not going to be open to the good news. /of Jesus.

//keep in mind, this is all in a ''religious'', context, there are other contexts that might involve non- religious ideas, those are not what we are discussing, specifically.

I am not denying the scripture. In case you are helping me with that, thank you!
I think that being a disciple is worlds more important than making a disciple. Agree?

 

[savagewind]

The command to make disciples is for the ones appointed that task, not for everyone.


I believe the whole of the Body of Christ is to preach this way,

Mat 5:14-16 (ESVST) 14 "You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.



So you believe if you follow any of Jesus' commands you aren't free? The ones with the task of making disciples aren't free?

Rom 10:14-15 (ESVST) 14 How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15 And how are they to preach unless they are sent?

You are not listening. That fact shows me that you do what you want. Not God's will.

 

[savagewind]

@djhwoodwerks I think you did not answer me. What is always the response (other than, no I won't) whenever a willing person hears, Make something?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

No, absolutely not. I can imagine sometimes Jesus face palms for me. LOL
I look it up. Just the quickness in which it comes most of the time proves to me it is Jesus communicating. I am smart but not that smart.

It times like this that I makes me wonder the most! If an answer comes to quickly, the less I'm apt to accept it on the spot.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

You are not listening. That fact shows me that you do what you want. Not God's will.

And what "FACTS" are those, that you can judge me from?

 

[savagewind]

The last command of Jesus was for believers in him to keep being his disciples. Where? EVERYWHERE. For whom?

 

[savagewind]

It times like this that I makes me wonder the most! If an answer comes to quickly, the less I'm apt to accept it on the spot.

You are right. I do not post unless it is proved. That is good advice!

 

[savagewind]

I shall assume you are not going to answer me. I will tell you what appears in the mind if ever a person hears, "make". Why, how, with what, when, for whom, and where.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

@djhwoodwerks I think you did not answer me. What is always the response (other than, no I won't) whenever a willing person hears, Make something?

The response of a "willing" person would be yes, ok, I will, you bet, I'd love to.... and so on. What are you "trying" to get at?

 

[savagewind]

Could a non-disciple make a disciple? The Disciples mission was to literally ''find'', other disciples. Ie, people who were already going to hear the message. It could be questioned where the 'making', of a disciple, is even part of the narrative/verses. It's clear that the /religious/ mission, was not convincing people through trickery etc

I agree!

 

[savagewind]

What do you mean by, ''for whom''?

I am asking you. For whom is a person to be a disciple for? The Bible seems to say being a disciple is for the other person who might be made one too.
I say being a disciple is for the person who chooses it.

 

[savagewind]

You can't ''make'' a disciple. You are using the wrong definition for this word. The word ''make'', hear, means instruct and teach

Ah! Yes. But there are some people working busily so that whoever will be a disciple will be one by their WORK making them.

 

[savagewind]

The response of a "willing" person would be yes, ok, I will, you bet, I'd love to.... and so on. What are you "trying" to get at?

I shall assume you are not going to answer me. I will tell you what appears in the mind if ever a person hears, "make". Why, how, with what, when, for whom, and where.

 

[savagewind]

Agreed.

How so? You agree that is a worthy occupation or you agree some people do it?

 

[savagewind]

The response of a "willing" person would be yes, ok, I will, you bet, I'd love to.... and so on. What are you "trying" to get at?

Without ANY knowledge of HOW to do it.

 

[savagewind]

The answer is God has told some poor souls to make something but did not tell them anything about how. Jesus says, "that is not my Father".