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Discussion in 'Scriptural Debates' started by savagewind, Apr 7, 2016.

  1. savagewind

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    I am convinced that anyone who is in Christ can't (not only won't) lie. That means to me that Christ's brothers can't teach anything that isn't true, even if they do not know it. Revelation 14:5 No lie was found in their mouths; they are blameless.

    The governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses have taught many, many things that are not true and they certainly can't be considered blameless. They are to blame for many broken people (former JWs who have woken up) and even some broken families because it is very difficult to live with a person who believes his way is always the right way.
     
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    @12jtartar Now, I might watch you ignore all that.
     
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    Your answer is out of context with respect to Revelation 9:4 in which the 5th angel released the locust who were told not to "hurt... any green thing", only "men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads". (Revelation 7:3 - 4). This was "after" the "great day of their wrath has come" (Revelation 6:17-7:4). The "bond-servants" were sealed after the "four angels" were "standing at the four corners of the earth" being told to wait until the bond-servants were sealed.

    Revelation 6: 12I looked when He broke the sixth seal, and there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth made of hair, and the whole moon became like blood; 13and the stars of the sky fell to the earth, as a fig tree casts its unripe figs when shaken by a great wind. 14The sky was split apart like a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. 15Then the kings of the earth and the great men and the commanders and the rich and the strong and every slave and free man hid themselves in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains; 16and they said to the mountains and to the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the presence of Him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb; 17for the great day of their wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

    Revelation 7:1 After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree. 2And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea, 3saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.”
     
  4. savagewind

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    @2ndpillar My mind doesn't work only as in succession. In other words, the angel said to be holding back the winds of destruction would be active also in the time of Jesus and the apostles. God doesn't care about the governing body of Jehovah's Witnesses who teach Bible prophesy as though one event happens after another as they wish it would. The Bible is about forever.
     
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    Why do JWs teach that the Bible describes an orderly progression of the unfolding of events? What scripture/s can you offer me that prove that all the Bible scenes that you say are actually prophecies (real events foretold) are and that they will occur just like the governing body of JWs say they will and in the same order that they say they will be?
     
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    ;) Now you know why I called the thread ignore. LOL
     
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    I believe too much salt and I can't eat it ,so I take everything with a grain of salt.
     
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    The "after this", with respect to what happens "after this" (Revelation 7:1) with regards to the four angels, is the "great earthquake" (Revelation 6:12 & 16:19), which follows Har-Magedon" of Revelation 16:13-16. The bond-servants are sealed "after this", the "this" being "Har-Magedon". If you think Har-Magedon, YHWH's valley of judgment (Joel 3:2 & 12) and (Daniel 2:44-45) have already happened, as in "forever", you apparently have a major stumbling block. You have the ongoing "tribulation", but there is only one "great tribulation" (Matthew 24:21-22).
     
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    After this might mean after one goal is reached. God isn't a slave of time. Correct? So something in the future might be accomplished BEFORE something in the past can be completed. Does Jehovah move through time as the universe does? Yes, or no?
     
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    Maybe the writer wrote "after this" to distinguish those who depend on their own reasoning and those who depend on Jehovah.

    Maybe you can not understand that Jehovah is God of all time. Right now! To Jehovah, Abraham is alive right now.
     
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    I think the JWs have you a little off balance. The bond-servants are sealed for protection against the locust which have been released from the pit (Revelation 7:2 & 9:1-3). None of that has happened, even in your "forever" world. It happens at the end of the age, when a "star from heaven which had fallen to earth; and the key of the bottomless pit was given to him", to open the pit to the "locusts" before they were released by the 6th angel to kill 1/3 of mankind (Revelation 9:18). Har-Magedon of Revelation 16:16 & Joel 3:2 & 12 hasn't happened yet, nor has "every island fled away", etc. (Revelation 16:20-21). "Forever" or not, it remains in the future. Whether it has happened before, it is not in any history written in the last 6000 years, as detailed in Zechariah 14.
     
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    Why can't people say what they want to in fewer words?
     
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    I think the answer is “LAWLESSNESS”. :)
     
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    That's fewer words. :)
     
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    but "no Law" is fewer letters
     
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