I have another question for YOU to ignore

[Aupmanyav]

Perhaps they deserved that (now, I am not a Christian. It is just guess work. Christians will know better. Someone said they could not do this in their own name, copy-right problem). But why then, were they able to do that at all? I suppose faulty soft-ware. It should have detected the trespass.

 

[savagewind]

Perhaps they deserved that.

But on the other hand if people deserve to be with satan, what does satan deserve? More people?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Mat 7:21-23 (ESVST) 21 " Not everyone who says to me, ' Lord, Lord, ' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ' Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. '

This is my understanding of Jesus' words,

These people know who Jesus is and they know the power in His name. In His name they cast out demons, they prophesied, they did many mighty works. "THEY" knew Jesus, but Jesus didn't know them. Why didn't Jesus know them if they were doing all these good works in His name? Because they didn't have a "personal" relationship with Him! It's not enough to just know Who He is or what He has done, we have to have an intimate, personal relationship with "HIM".

That is why Jesus said,

Mat 15:7-9 (ESVST) 7 You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: 8 "'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; 9 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'"

 

[Aupmanyav]

Unbelievers, heretics. Birds of one feather flock together. ^^^ Well, here is the answer from a knowledgeable person - intimate personal relationship. Not just being 'Munafiquns".

 

[savagewind]

Mat 7:21-23 (ESVST) 21 " Not everyone who says to me, ' Lord, Lord, ' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ' Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name? ' 23 And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness. '

This is my understanding of Jesus' words,

These people know who Jesus is and they know the power in His name. In His name they cast out demons, they prophesied, they did many mighty works. "THEY" knew Jesus, but Jesus didn't know them. Why didn't Jesus know them if they were doing all these good works in His name? Because they didn't have a "personal" relationship with Him! It's not enough to just know Who He is or what He has done, we have to have an intimate, personal relationship with "HIM".

I agree

That is why Jesus said,

Mat 15:7-9 (ESVST) 7 You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: 8 "'This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; 9 in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'"

Do you not see? THEIR heart is far removed from Jesus. But Matthew 7:23 has the heart of Jesus removed from them.

I think you are an inerrantist. That is where we part ways.

 

[Jedster]

YOU say they, "said the right words". Where have you picked up that fact from?

I didn't say it was a fact, I was just saying what I thought it meant.

 

[savagewind]

I didn't say it was a fact, I was just saying what I thought it meant.


I didn't say it was a fact, I was just saying what I thought it meant.

Mark 9:40 disagrees with you imo.
Who is not against meaning NOT teaching things contrary to God's Word is FOR God's Word.
I think it is better to ignore God's Word than to teach it incorrectly.
Mark 9:42

 

[Jedster]

Mark 9:40 disagrees with you imo.
Who is not against meaning NOT teaching things contrary to God's Word is FOR God's Word.
I think it is better to ignore God's Word than to teach it incorrectly.
Mark 9:42

Thanks for telling me what you think. That's exactly what I did.

 

[savagewind]

Thanks for telling me what you think. That's exactly what I did.

You're welcome. Thank you for replying. Do you have evidence that the right words spoken by the wrong person are evil?

 

[savagewind]

Some people (JWs) believe that the wrong words spoken by the right people are right words. @Jedster Do you believe the opposite of what you say, "The right words from the wrong people are the wrong words"? Do you think wrong words spoken by right people are right words?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

I think you are an inerrantist. That is where we part ways.

??? Do you know what inerrant means? If so, what has it got to do with what I posted?

 

[savagewind]

??? Do you know what inerrant means? If so, what has it got to do with what I posted?

You posted as though the writer wrote what we read. I say what we read is not what the writer intended for us to know. I say it says something else. You stick with the tradiitonal meaning making you in my eyes an inerrantist which is a word I just today picked up. I think it means: scripture as it was translated is as it should be, it is now as it was written originally. The meaning has not changed. I do not agree with that.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

Do you not see? THEIR heart is far removed from Jesus. But Matthew 7:23 has the heart of Jesus removed from them.

That's not true, Jesus died for them too, didn't He?

 

[savagewind]

That's not true, Jesus died for them too, didn't He?

YES! But the way it is translated does not jive with that FACT.

It says "I never knew you" means my heart was never with you. NEVER. That is why IT CAN NOT SAY WHAT YOU SAY IT SAYS.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

You posted as though the writer wrote what we read. I say what we read is not what the writer intended for us to know. I say it says something else. You stick with the tradiitonal meaning making you in my eyes an inerrantist which is a word I just today picked up. I think it means: scripture as it was translated is as it should be, it is now as it was written originally. The meaning has not changed. I do not agree with that.

in·er·rant
(ĭn-ĕr′ənt)
adj.
1. Incapable of erring; infallible.
2. Containing no errors.

Yes, I believe the Bible to be inerrant!

 

[savagewind]

in·er·rant
(ĭn-ĕr′ənt)
adj.
1. Incapable of erring; infallible.
2. Containing no errors.

Yes, I believe the Bible to be inerrant!

So I was right. I have never said that any writing of it isn't inerrant fyi.
It is my opinion and I have tons and tons and tons of proof that what we have is chockful of people's opinions of what God's Word communicates. Opinion is not inerrant. Agree?

 

[djhwoodwerks]

YES! But the way it is translated does not jive with that FACT.

It says "I never knew you" means my heart was never with you. NEVER. That is why IT CAN NOT SAY WHAT YOU SAY IT SAYS.

So we can be on the same page, you're saying that that verse means, in that day when Jesus says, "I never knew you" He's actually saying, "who are you, I don't know you, get away from Me"?

 

[savagewind]

So we can be on the same page, you're saying that that verse means, in that day when Jesus says, "I never knew you" He's actually saying, "who are you, I don't know you, get away from Me"?

No, They say, Lord!" and he says, "you never once came my way". They did their works without him. Like you do!

 

[djhwoodwerks]

So I was right. I have never said that any writing of it isn't inerrant fyi.
It is my opinion and I have tons and tons and tons of proof that what we have is chockful of people's opinions of what God's Word communicates. Opinion is not inerrant. Agree?

If that's what you mean, that I believe the Word of God to be inerrant, then you are correct.


It's not the Bible that's chock full of peoples opinions, the Bible is inerrant. It's peoples teachings of the Bible that are opinions. The Bible itself is not written by opinions.

 

[djhwoodwerks]

No, They say, Lord!" and he says, "you never once came my way". They did their works without him. Like you do!

Why are you resorting to judging me? Your JW mindset is showing!