Shermana
1. You're welcome to whatever ignorant, whacky interpretations you want, but the Pharisees and Sadducees had added their own twistings to the same law they went by that Moses went by, which means drastic differences.
Except it isnt Different. In order to establish twists or...falsehood... in a law or teaching, then that law or teaching is NOT justifiable means to be judged according to it. Do you know what that means? It is because Moses's law is unjust and or flawed. Why is it flawed then? Because as Romans points out the matters of the spirit cant be judged by the flesh and the flesh cant be judged by the spirit. MOSES"S LAW WAS ALL ABOUT BRINGING THE MATTERS OF THE FLESH to be judged according to the spirit(like most religions still do today). LISTEN CAREFULLY, When you establish god law as...THE...law over all things then you as a high priest can make up any crap you want and say that its god will. Even Moses himself did this when he came down from Mt Zion with the 10 Commandments and said that God is a jealous God(meaning selfish God) and they all had to obey. What is more PROOF of this is the fact that Jesus himself is being judged in the SAME manner. I guess this is hard to understand.
The same IDEALS doesn't matter in regards to your point. I asked you several times to point to a verse about these "laws of the flesh". You have refused. I wonder why.
Iam not going to go over the whole book of Romans if your just going to shoot it down because it is going against your beliefs. so whats the point. If you are really interested in that topic of what I said then read over it. When I say that its the whole book of romans iam not kidding.
I also mentioned that in your view, it's not a problem for a Father to marry his daughter, or to marry your sister. You had no reply to this. I wonder why that is.
When did I ever say this^? If no one is being forced into anything then they are welcome to do as they please...yes it is weird from my point of view to marry your family member but if no one is being harmed then there is no crime!
With that said, nothing in your point remotely against what Jesus, who called the Canaanite woman a dog, teaches. He never says the Laws of Moses are wrong. In fact he says EVERY IOTA will remain standing. That little "every iota" part gets people like you and your antinomian Christian friends squirming every time.
Antinomian Christians?...Thanks for labeling me something that iam not...You just did to me what the High priests did to Jesus! I bet you would have killed the Messiah as well if he came in your time. If not then you would not be calling me labels and blasphemy on me. The canaanite women knew the word of God Jesus rewards her for it. She had wisdom. you need to read about the Canaanite women again.
You don't even acknowledge that it could be you either. You simply want to impose your own theological concepts onto me and then kick and scream when I refuse and point out the flaws in your reasoning, and your woeful ignorance of what the text says.
Let me explain everything in Gods green earth that is wrong with this statement^...
You have pointed nothing out that disproves my views. As in the first part of my answer at the top of this page^ Also I have also said many times that I have been in the box and thats why i question everything
I ask you once again, let's just settle it like this, since obviously nothing I say, no matter how logical or coherent, is going to get through to you and you're simply going to come back insisting how I'm wrong and how my God is evil. If you refuse to do it this time, I see no point in continuing this.
Here's how it works.
You say "Let the one of us who is speaking lies and heresies be brought to shame and silence". Let's make it more interesting. Let's add" Be brought to total poverty" as well. If you refuse, I'll know you don't really want to put your money where your mouth is.
Hook, line and sinker!^^^^^^ Let me answer then(money were my mouth is)!
You said..."Heres how it works" and then you also said..."That's the way I handle it". So let me get this correct then, In order to have a good debate with you we have to follow YOUR rules under YOUR guidelines? How is that fair.
Anyway I will answer despite your claims to be "logical or coherent" in YOUR debate since I cant have a say.
That's the way I handle it when I deal with crackpots like yourself who have no understanding how debate works and just want to vomit their own beliefs onto the table as if they're matter of fact regardless the thread topic.
In your attempt to set a biased and single minded standard with no understanding of how a debate works yet tell me that Iam the crackpot you forgot to mention the question!
Okay, what does it have to do with the main topic? Are you saying Jesus's sacrifice was purely just an act of being martyred?
No, Jesus's act was an act of forgiveness to his people(and everyone not just the Jews) for there crimes against the Canaanites and by the SAME standard the jews used to commit murder Jesus is JUDGED BY THE SAME STANDARD and is killed on the SAME standard as the Canaanites were...Promise Land!(revelations)
He most certainly is by many Torah obedient Jews. Just not by the Majority. Point irrelevant.
He was NOT welcomed under the covenant of Moses( the law). Remember he was judged by it. There is a difference from the ones in power to the ones not in power that may or may not have different views. Its clear that not all of the Jews are like minded. However MOST do NOT accept him as the Messiah(keep that in mind there is a reason for it and it leads back to Moses's teachings).
Because the High Priests assumed he was blaspheming by claiming to be THE son of god. Point irrelevant.
Because he said that HE IS the son of God. they even ask him and he says..."I AM".
Oh, something new here. What was this flaw in the law exactly?
(Face Palm) Iam not going over this for the 12 time now. The Flaw is stated in my first statement to this post. Either your not actually reading what I say or your not comprehending anything in three dimensional way. I forget that religion only has two dimensional logic.
You should write a book, fiction is really big these days. And with fiction you don't have to actually have any scholar that agrees! You're set!
Yeah, its called the bible. Most of it is historical but there is alot that has been changed over time and its not written by god. it was written by man's views on it. Notice that many stories of are different with different ethical views of god or moral views and standards.
Again, the kingdom of God is much different than the "Promised land". Your view is so convoluted I can't even begin to try to talk reason with you.
Revelations says other wise. the Kingdom is brought down from heaven to earth in "new Jerusalem"(promise land) but as revelations points out as well as Jesus's actions the promise land is in you and the kingdom of God is to be made in you!
1. You're welcome to whatever ignorant, whacky interpretations you want, but the Pharisees and Sadducees had added their own twistings to the same law they went by that Moses went by, which means drastic differences.
Except it isnt Different. In order to establish twists or...falsehood... in a law or teaching, then that law or teaching is NOT justifiable means to be judged according to it. Do you know what that means? It is because Moses's law is unjust and or flawed. Why is it flawed then? Because as Romans points out the matters of the spirit cant be judged by the flesh and the flesh cant be judged by the spirit. MOSES"S LAW WAS ALL ABOUT BRINGING THE MATTERS OF THE FLESH to be judged according to the spirit(like most religions still do today). LISTEN CAREFULLY, When you establish god law as...THE...law over all things then you as a high priest can make up any crap you want and say that its god will. Even Moses himself did this when he came down from Mt Zion with the 10 Commandments and said that God is a jealous God(meaning selfish God) and they all had to obey. What is more PROOF of this is the fact that Jesus himself is being judged in the SAME manner. I guess this is hard to understand.
The same IDEALS doesn't matter in regards to your point. I asked you several times to point to a verse about these "laws of the flesh". You have refused. I wonder why.
Iam not going to go over the whole book of Romans if your just going to shoot it down because it is going against your beliefs. so whats the point. If you are really interested in that topic of what I said then read over it. When I say that its the whole book of romans iam not kidding.
I also mentioned that in your view, it's not a problem for a Father to marry his daughter, or to marry your sister. You had no reply to this. I wonder why that is.
When did I ever say this^? If no one is being forced into anything then they are welcome to do as they please...yes it is weird from my point of view to marry your family member but if no one is being harmed then there is no crime!
With that said, nothing in your point remotely against what Jesus, who called the Canaanite woman a dog, teaches. He never says the Laws of Moses are wrong. In fact he says EVERY IOTA will remain standing. That little "every iota" part gets people like you and your antinomian Christian friends squirming every time.
Antinomian Christians?...Thanks for labeling me something that iam not...You just did to me what the High priests did to Jesus! I bet you would have killed the Messiah as well if he came in your time. If not then you would not be calling me labels and blasphemy on me. The canaanite women knew the word of God Jesus rewards her for it. She had wisdom. you need to read about the Canaanite women again.
You don't even acknowledge that it could be you either. You simply want to impose your own theological concepts onto me and then kick and scream when I refuse and point out the flaws in your reasoning, and your woeful ignorance of what the text says.
Let me explain everything in Gods green earth that is wrong with this statement^...
You have pointed nothing out that disproves my views. As in the first part of my answer at the top of this page^ Also I have also said many times that I have been in the box and thats why i question everything
I ask you once again, let's just settle it like this, since obviously nothing I say, no matter how logical or coherent, is going to get through to you and you're simply going to come back insisting how I'm wrong and how my God is evil. If you refuse to do it this time, I see no point in continuing this.
Here's how it works.
You say "Let the one of us who is speaking lies and heresies be brought to shame and silence". Let's make it more interesting. Let's add" Be brought to total poverty" as well. If you refuse, I'll know you don't really want to put your money where your mouth is.
Hook, line and sinker!^^^^^^ Let me answer then(money were my mouth is)!
You said..."Heres how it works" and then you also said..."That's the way I handle it". So let me get this correct then, In order to have a good debate with you we have to follow YOUR rules under YOUR guidelines? How is that fair.
Anyway I will answer despite your claims to be "logical or coherent" in YOUR debate since I cant have a say.
That's the way I handle it when I deal with crackpots like yourself who have no understanding how debate works and just want to vomit their own beliefs onto the table as if they're matter of fact regardless the thread topic.
In your attempt to set a biased and single minded standard with no understanding of how a debate works yet tell me that Iam the crackpot you forgot to mention the question!
Okay, what does it have to do with the main topic? Are you saying Jesus's sacrifice was purely just an act of being martyred?
No, Jesus's act was an act of forgiveness to his people(and everyone not just the Jews) for there crimes against the Canaanites and by the SAME standard the jews used to commit murder Jesus is JUDGED BY THE SAME STANDARD and is killed on the SAME standard as the Canaanites were...Promise Land!(revelations)
He most certainly is by many Torah obedient Jews. Just not by the Majority. Point irrelevant.
He was NOT welcomed under the covenant of Moses( the law). Remember he was judged by it. There is a difference from the ones in power to the ones not in power that may or may not have different views. Its clear that not all of the Jews are like minded. However MOST do NOT accept him as the Messiah(keep that in mind there is a reason for it and it leads back to Moses's teachings).
Because the High Priests assumed he was blaspheming by claiming to be THE son of god. Point irrelevant.
Because he said that HE IS the son of God. they even ask him and he says..."I AM".
Oh, something new here. What was this flaw in the law exactly?
(Face Palm) Iam not going over this for the 12 time now. The Flaw is stated in my first statement to this post. Either your not actually reading what I say or your not comprehending anything in three dimensional way. I forget that religion only has two dimensional logic.
You should write a book, fiction is really big these days. And with fiction you don't have to actually have any scholar that agrees! You're set!
Yeah, its called the bible. Most of it is historical but there is alot that has been changed over time and its not written by god. it was written by man's views on it. Notice that many stories of are different with different ethical views of god or moral views and standards.
Again, the kingdom of God is much different than the "Promised land". Your view is so convoluted I can't even begin to try to talk reason with you.
Revelations says other wise. the Kingdom is brought down from heaven to earth in "new Jerusalem"(promise land) but as revelations points out as well as Jesus's actions the promise land is in you and the kingdom of God is to be made in you!
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