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Men's Issues/Masculism DIR

Should we have a Men's Issues DIR?

  • Yes

    Votes: 29 64.4%
  • No

    Votes: 16 35.6%

  • Total voters
    45

The Sum of Awe

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I'd comment on that. Second thread: male-on-male rape. It's outrageously common in conflict zones, but everybody pretends it doesn't happen at all. Survivors can't talk about it and there wouldn't be anybody listening if they did.

Why specifically male-on-male rape?
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Why specifically male-on-male rape?

Because I just read a detailed article about it and it's fresh in my mind. I knew women and girls in conflict zones are extremely vulnerable to sexual assault. It came as a surprise to me that men are too. Even more so, sometimes. One survey of freed captives found that while 80% of the women had been raped by their captors, 100% of the men had. But there are no support services for them. Most of the time they won't even tell their wives for fear they'll leave. Sadly a justifiable fear. The physical damage is awful and permanent.

Anyway, I think it's a serious problem.
 
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MysticSang'ha

Big Squishy Hugger
Premium Member
Because I just read a detailed article about it and it's fresh in my mind. I knew women and girls in conflict zones are extremely vulnerable to sexual assault. It came as a surprise to me that men are too. Even more so, sometimes. One survey of freed captives found that while 80% of the women had been raped by their captors, 100% of the men had. But there are no support services for them. Most of the time they won't even tell their wives for fear they'll leave. Sadly a justifiable fear. The physical damage is awful and permanent.

Anyway, I think it's a serious problem.

It's terrible, and again shows why rape is a crime of power, and not sex. :(

Honest to goodness, a part of me really hopes - if a Masculinist Only forum is created - that this DIR approaches the subject of male survivors of rape to offer an extremely pertinent and important point about the violence of the crime.
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
Because I just read a detailed article about it and it's fresh in my mind. I knew women and girls in conflict zones are extremely vulnerable to sexual assault. It came as a surprise to me that men are too. Even more so, sometimes. One survey of freed captives found that while 80% of the women had been raped by their captors, 100% of the men had. But there are no support services for them. Most of the time they won't even tell their wives for fear they'll leave. Sadly a justifiable fear. The physical damage is awful and permanent.

Anyway, I think it's a serious problem.

Reminded me of this.

MALE-RAPE.jpg
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
All things considered, I voted against a "men's issues" forum. While I think that there are political and social issues that affect men and certainly warrant serious discussion, I don't the see the need for a special section to do it in.

Unfortunately, I think it would become an "anti-feminism" forum and would be detrimental in the long run.

Speaking for myself, I'm in favour of empowering people generally, including white people, and I'm in favour of rights for all people, including men, but I wouldn't support creating a special forum for either the "white power" or "men's rights" movements... and for similar reasons.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
It's terrible, and again shows why rape is a crime of power, and not sex. :(

Honest to goodness, a part of me really hopes - if a Masculinist Only forum is created - that this DIR approaches the subject of male survivors of rape to offer an extremely pertinent and important point about the violence of the crime.

Canada's been in the news for overlooking the Afghan forces raping boys. Some of our soldiers have PTSD from being told not to interfere.

Anyway, men have issues, and they're not trivial. If that forum is created I hope the discussions focus on real problems like these.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
To the extent that gender issues are a worry, Feminism seems to cover it well enough. I will vote against creating this Masculism DIR.
One problem is that if a non-feminist wants to discuss it, it cannot be done in the Feminism Only forum.
It's blue, you know....no outsiders may even ask questions, let alone participate in the discussion.

Edit: Purple....not blue.
Hard to remember this color scheme.
I'd prefer:
Red - Same as purple, ie, no outsiders at all
Yellow - Same as blue
Green - Same as green
 
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LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
It is currently purple, which is in fact more restrictive than blue.

That may be a problem, but I feel it is a minor one. Discussion may always be made in more open areas. And I have just noticed that creating a need to decide whether an issue is "properly" male and/or female is counterproductive IMO. Not everyone is even male or female, let alone every subject.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
To answer the OP, I don't really care one way or the other, but if enough members want a Masculist DIR, then I'm for it.
 

Alceste

Vagabond
Same here, though with a score of 47.

Me too. And in the 30s for socialist, minorities and something else. I got ten for conservative.

I had issues with the questions though. Like the statement "all religion oppresses women". If only they hadn't stuck "all" on there I world have agreed with it. Lots of the statements had similarly clumsy construction.
 

SageTree

Spiritual Friend
Premium Member
Feminist philosophy isn't all about gender....

It's also about questioning the ways we know which were set up by men in various cultures.

It's tantamount to saying an 'anti-oppressive, non-colonial' way of collecting data and examining systems.

So these problems that people want to look at, non-traditionally...
Would actually be saying, imo:"

"Lets look at these issues, which aren't traditionally talked about from a non-traditional stand point"

... or from a Feminist approach.

Do you follow me anyone?
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Liberal Feminist (41)

Meh, anyways, on topic. I voted 'no'. But if there was a forum created, and if it was NOT purple (since I don't class myself as a masculinist, or whatever...) than I'd post if there was a topic of interest.
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
Perspective Score
Liberal feminist 42
Women of Color 27
Cultural feminist 24
Radical feminist 20
Socialist feminist 19
Conservative 13


Interesting xD
 

Aquitaine

Well-Known Member
Yeah make a Masculine DIR or whatever, just as long as it doesn't turn into a feminist-bashing party.
 

SageTree

Spiritual Friend
Premium Member
Liberal feminist 48
Cultural feminist 45
Socialist feminist 44
Women of Color 43
Radical feminist 39
Conservative 12​
 
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