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Men's Issues/Masculism DIR

Should we have a Men's Issues DIR?

  • Yes

    Votes: 29 64.4%
  • No

    Votes: 16 35.6%

  • Total voters
    45

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
I think it's BS. The questions were absolutely outrageous, very very anti-capitalist for starters. And then you had a host of other stupid questions which have nothing to do with feminism at all.
It's not anti-capitalist.

The whole point is to agree or not agree with those statements to determine the socialist or capitalist leanings of the test-taker.
 

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Stupid test!
My highest perspective score (40) was "Liberal Feminist".
Next (34) was "Women Of Color".

I was hoping for "Cave Man".
I scored highest on liberal feminism followed by women of color as well.

I forget the numbers because I took the test but didn't want to post my results since I figured it might derail the thread, but it seems everyone is doing it. I think I got a forty-something on liberal feminism and a thirty-something on women of color.
 

ignition

Active Member
It's not anti-capitalist.

The whole point is to agree or not agree with those statements to determine the socialist or capitalist leanings of the test-taker.
It felt as though it kept trying to blame capitalism for various problems with women inequality like staying at home to take care of the kids, missing out on jobs, women having to make up on for work etc. what the hell kinds of questions are those? There's no causal link at all between women discrimination and capitalism, an economic system, so I stubbornly kept hitting 'disagree' haha The test creators should be shot.
 

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It felt as though it kept trying to blame capitalism for various problems with women inequality like staying at home to take care of the kids, missing out on jobs, women having to make up on for work etc. what the hell kinds of questions are those? There's no causal link at all between women discrimination and capitalism, an economic system, so I stubbornly kept hitting 'disagree' haha The test creators should be shot.
It sounds like the test did a pretty good job of showing that you're not a feminist then? It ranked you as a "Conservative" instead.

I agree with Mystic about staying on topic, though.
 

freethinker44

Well-Known Member
It felt as though it kept trying to blame capitalism for various problems with women inequality like staying at home to take care of the kids, missing out on jobs, women having to make up on for work etc. what the hell kinds of questions are those? There's no causal link at all between women discrimination and capitalism, an economic system, so I stubbornly kept hitting 'disagree' haha The test creators should be shot.

I didn't really know how to answer the capitalist questions. I agreed capitalism did all those things, but I don't believe it harmed women specifically, I think it harms society in general so I ended up answering disagree or neutral for those questions.
 

Tarheeler

Argumentative Curmudgeon
Premium Member
All things considered, I voted against a "men's issues" forum. While I think that there are political and social issues that affect men and certainly warrant serious discussion, I don't the see the need for a special section to do it in.

Unfortunately, I think it would become an "anti-feminism" forum and would be detrimental in the long run.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It sounds like the test did a pretty good job of showing that you're not a feminist then? It ranked you as a "Conservative" instead.
Hah! You should talk, having scored only slightly higher on "Liberal Feminist" than even I did.
 

Penumbra

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Hah! You should talk, having scored only slightly higher on "Liberal Feminist" than even I did.
You're not someone I view as being particularly against feminist values.

More importantly, I think those values are out of 50, not 100. I took the test a second time and pretended to be the most hardcore socialist feminist I could be and scored a 50.
For every question I was like, "Yeah it's all capitalism's fault", and got a 50.

Therefore, scoring in the mid-40's is pretty indicative that one shares those values.
 

ignition

Active Member
All things considered, I voted against a "men's issues" forum. While I think that there are political and social issues that affect men and certainly warrant serious discussion, I don't the see the need for a special section to do it in.
I kind of see where you're coming from. I don't think male and female issues can seriously be compared, because women discrimination is pretty rampant throughout the world and more socially acceptable, so there's a lot of work which needs to be done there. To some extent though, discrimination will always happen to men in some cases and always happen to women in some cases. Take child custody for example, in my opinion, that's a lost cause for men, they should just forget about it. It's just not going to happen in the UK, there's no such thing as equality in child custody cases and there never will be and it's waste of time fighting it, society won't budge at all levels. There are a lot of cases I think about feminist issues as well, sometimes the goals are never going to be acquired no matter what. At this moment I think focus should be on only achievable and pressing goals. In other words, let's get into space before we try to land on the moon.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
The questionaire seems to be more about racism, then capitalism, then traditions of female submission, then homophoby, in decreasing order of emphasis.

I wonder if the perception that there is a strong link among the four subjects (particularly when it comes to capitalism) is widespread.

Anyway, apparently I am a woman of color. I really should pay more attention to myself on the mirror one of these days.

Women of Color 43
Liberal feminist 40
Radical feminist 35
Cultural feminist 35
Socialist feminist 33
Conservative 14
 

Me Myself

Back to my username
Honestly, I don't really see the point, since pretty much all the "men's issues" I'm aware of are already covered under feminism, and so "masculinism" is simply a rebranding of what amounts to the same philosophy: gender equality.

I, personally, consider such rebranding as a waste of time, because of the fact that when a term catches on, it doesn't particularly matter whether it's a misnomer or not (see JRPG.)

You can say the same thing about humanism and feminism AFAIK.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
You're not someone I view as being particularly against feminist values.

More importantly, I think those values are out of 50, not 100. I took the test a second time and pretended to be the most hardcore socialist feminist I could be and scored a 50.
For every question I was like, "Yeah it's all capitalism's fault", and got a 50.

Therefore, scoring in the mid-40's is pretty indicative that one shares those values.
I was only joshing about the low grades.
And yes, the capitalism aspect seemed heavy, but not anti-capitalism.
 

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
I think Tarheeler is right. There is not enough reason to emphasize that some issues are specifically male.

To the extent that gender issues are a worry, Feminism seems to cover it well enough. I will vote against creating this Masculism DIR.
 
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