Where is the soul?

[URAVIP2ME]

The first or earlier resurrection of Rev 20v6 means that the heavenly resurrection comes first in time, first in order over the earthly resurrection.

Revelation is written in signs.
So 'second death' does not have to mean die a second time.
Satan experiences 'second death' even though he does not die a first time.
It is 'second death' because second death is destruction or annihilation forever.
-Rev 21v8

 

[james2ko]

The first or earlier resurrection of Rev 20v6 means that the heavenly resurrection comes first in time, first in order over the earthly resurrection. Revelation is written in signs. So 'second death' does not have to mean die a second time. Satan experiences 'second death' even though he does not die a first time.

The truth is irrefutable UR. Simply claiming "symbolism" and repeating your convictions, ad naseum, does not make them true.

It is 'second death' because second death is destruction or annihilation forever.-Rev 21v8

With all due respect, UR, this is a typical response of a Christian that has been refuted by another Christian. It illustrates perfectly one of the reasons for the existence of the over 30000+ Christian denominations and sects. Instead of humbly admitting perhaps there is something else there, they stubbornly hold on to their preconceived notions and beliefs without investigating to see if these things are so (Act 17:11).

 

[tpetaway86]

A person soul is more about the currents in the brain that allow for life in a body. its often thought that only human have souls but if you think about it everything lives and dies so by that standard everything has a soul

 

[URAVIP2ME]

A person soul is more about the currents in the brain that allow for life in a body. its often thought that only human have souls but if you think about it everything lives and dies so by that standard everything has a soul

According to Numbers 31v28 animals are also souls.

Adam himself became a living soul after Adam received the breath of life.
Gen 2v7

So, all of Adam was a soul. Before Adam's creation Adam did not exist.
At Adam's death Adam ceased to exist. From dust back to dust.

So, the person does not have a soul. The person [or animal] is a soul.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

With all due respect, UR, this is a typical response of a Christian that has been refuted by another Christian. It illustrates perfectly one of the reasons for the existence of the over 30000+ Christian denominations and sects. Instead of humbly admitting perhaps there is something else there, they stubbornly hold on to their preconceived notions and beliefs without investigating to see if these things are so (Act 17:11).

...and how did the people of Acts 17v11 search or research Scriptures to see if things they were hearing were really so?

Jesus often quoted or referred to the Hebrew OT Scriptures as his authority on matters. Since the Bible is not written ABC like a dictionary, then the Bible needs to be search or research by topic or subject arrangement to compare by its corresponding or parallel verses and passages in order to see the internal harmony between its writers.

Jesus [Mark 7v7,13] taught not to follow tradition outside of recorded Scripture.
The religious leaders of his day were teaching their own oral tradition over recorded Scripture. Today most of Christendom's clergy mix old pagan ideas with Scripture, and follow a political agenda instead of teaching Jesus teachings as recorded in Scripture.
-Acts 20vs29,30

 

[tpetaway86]

By that sent, you can't havea person without the person having a soul. the body and soul is all one encapsulation of being. so now are you saying that a person doesnt have a soul unless heorshe is an animal or the breath of god is bown into them.

According to Numbers 31v28 animals are also souls.

Adam himself became a living soul after Adam received the breath of life.
Gen 2v7

So, all of Adam was a soul. Before Adam's creation Adam did not exist.
At Adam's death Adam ceased to exist. From dust back to dust.

So, the person does not have a soul. The person [or animal] is a soul.

 

[St Giordano Bruno]

I don't think we are any closer to knowing the exact location of the soul then we ever were. At one time we were thought we were very close homing in on the brain and even one specific location of the brain called the pineal gland which Rene Descartes dedicated much of his time and study. These days the pineal gland known to only regulate circadian rhythms or sleep, waking cycles, and as for the soul? there is no trace of any device anywhere in the brain or elsewhere in the human body we can confidently call a "soul"

 

[james2ko]

...and how did the people of Acts 17v11 search or research Scriptures to see if things they were hearing were really so? Jesus often quoted or referred to the Hebrew OT Scriptures as his authority on matters. Since the Bible is not written ABC like a dictionary, then the Bible needs to be search or research by topic or subject arrangement to compare by its corresponding or parallel verses and passages in order to see the internal harmony between its writers. Jesus [Mark 7v7,13] taught not to follow tradition outside of recorded Scripture. The religious leaders of his day were teaching their own oral tradition over recorded Scripture. Today most of Christendom's clergy mix old pagan ideas with Scripture, and follow a political agenda instead of teaching Jesus teachings as recorded in Scripture.
-Acts 20vs29,30

The study of scripture involves much more than just comparing passages, UR. There are historical, situational, cultural contexts that must be taken into consideration. Word usage is also critical, as I've demonstrated. Dismissing or overlooking any one of these keys will result in misinterpreting and allegorizing away the simple meaning of scripture which, I respectfully say, is precisely what you are doing. Now back to our regularly scheduled topic...

 

[URAVIP2ME]

By that sent, you can't havea person without the person having a soul. the body and soul is all one encapsulation of being. so now are you saying that a person doesnt have a soul unless heorshe is an animal or the breath of god is bown into them.

Wasn't Adam a 'living soul' according to 1st Cor 15v45 besides Gen 2v7 ?

Without breath a person is a dead soul.

Adam did not start to live until the breath of life was breathed into him.
Breath was in Adam, Not a soul inside of him.

At dead Adam became a dead soul because as Ezekiel 18vs4,20 says:
The soul that sins dies.

 

[tpetaway86]

Wasn't Adam a 'living soul' according to 1st Cor 15v45 besides Gen 2v7 ?

Without breath a person is a dead soul.

Adam did not start to live until the breath of life was breathed into him.
Breath was in Adam, Not a soul inside of him.

At dead Adam became a dead soul because as Ezekiel 18vs4,20 says:
The soul that sins dies.

im speaking on now. Now you're telling me every person every born was born without a soul becuz YOU didnt see god breathe a breath in anyone. the only time you dont have a soul is when you dont exist. since everything exists that means gods breath is ever raeching and everyone received it. everyone is born with sin that doesn't mean everyone is born without a soul. if you know so much then you know that your soul's place in the afterlife depends on how you lived in this life, and that means you have a soul to lose.

 

[bain-druie]

According to my beliefs, the OP's question is unanswerable, because the soul does not inhabit the dimensions of space. If it did, science could observe and measure it with the technology available today. If there is a soul (and I believe there is), trying to locate it in the physical realm is a pointless endeavor. Like all spiritual beliefs, we are each free to interpret the concept of 'soul' and the evidence or lack thereof regarding same. Science may yet prove me incorrect, which would be fascinating - but as it stands, I don't believe the soul will ever be found by physical searching.

 

[tpetaway86]

According to my beliefs, the OP's question is unanswerable, because the soul does not inhabit the dimensions of space. If it did, science could observe and measure it with the technology available today. If there is a soul (and I believe there is), trying to locate it in the physical realm is a pointless endeavor. Like all spiritual beliefs, we are each free to interpret the concept of 'soul' and the evidence or lack thereof regarding same. Science may yet prove me incorrect, which would be fascinating - but as it stands, I don't believe the soul will ever be found by physical searching.

The soul may or may not inhabit the demensions of space we are familar with. the only dimensions we can study is 1, 2, 3, and 4 ,if you're including time as a dimension. The facts are basic, we can't give answer because we can't understand the question. Unless your GOD lol

 

[Ben Masada]

Where is the soul! Would you probably mean what is the soul? The soul is a condition, and condition is an arbitrary emanation which occupies no place in matter or in space. Soul is the combination of body with the breath of life. That's what we call the living soul. It comes from the word nephesh in Hebrew. When here in Israel there is an accident or terrorist attack, the first question is, "How many nephashote were there at the scene?" The dead ones are no longer nephashote but guffote, which means dead bodies. Once one is dead, the soul is non-existent. The body goes back to the dust and the breath of life (or spirit) goes back to God Who gave it. Being this a metaphor for the wind or atmosphere. (Eccl. 12:7)

 

[Mike214]

Where is the soul! Would you probably mean what is the soul? The soul is a condition, and condition is an arbitrary emanation which occupies no place in matter or in space. Soul is the combination of body with the breath of life. That's what we call the living soul. It comes from the word nephesh in Hebrew. When here in Israel there is an accident or terrorist attack, the first question is, "How many nephashote were there at the scene?" The dead ones are no longer nephashote but guffote, which means dead bodies. Once one is dead, the soul is non-existent. The body goes back to the dust and the breath of life (or spirit) goes back to God Who gave it. Being this a metaphor for the wind or atmosphere. (Eccl. 12:7)

I disagree with you. That you can perceive the soul, it does not mean that it does not exist. Even when is only in our imagination, or you don't have imagination either.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I disagree with you. That you can perceive the soul, it does not mean that it does not exist. Even when is only in our imagination, or you don't have imagination either.

If you believe that Adam existed then you can perceive the soul.
Before Adam was created on earth Adam did not exist anywhere.
After lifeless Adam received the breath of life according to Gen 2v7 then
Adam became a living soul or Adam came to be a living soul.

At death Adam became a lifeless soul or a dead soul.

Adam was not death proof that is why Ezekiel 18vs4,20 can say say the soul that sins dies. Adam sinned, all of Adam died and went back to the dust.
-Acts 3v23

 

[DoctorAnswerMan]

If you believe that Adam existed then you can perceive the soul.
Before Adam was created on earth Adam did not exist anywhere.
After lifeless Adam received the breath of life according to Gen 2v7 then
Adam became a living soul or Adam came to be a living soul.

At death Adam became a lifeless soul or a dead soul.

Adam was not death proof that is why Ezekiel 18vs4,20 can say say the soul that sins dies. Adam sinned, all of Adam died and went back to the dust.
-Acts 3v23

So what you are saying is that Adam was a soul rather than possessing a soul. Is that correct? That is what I read in the scriptures as well. That goes along with another thread concerning death. When the electricity goes off, the lights go out. The bulb - or soul - is dead.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So what you are saying is that Adam was a soul rather than possessing a soul. Is that correct? That is what I read in the scriptures as well. That goes along with another thread concerning death. When the electricity goes off, the lights go out. The bulb - or soul - is dead.

Correct. No where does it say Adam 'came to have' a soul, or that Adam 'came to possess' a soul.

Cute illustration about the light bulb going out because in order for the light bulb to 'live again', so to speak, it would have to be reconnected with its source or electricity.

A dead soul would have to be reconnected to his source by having a resurrection. Resurrected to life in heaven or resurrected to life on earth.
-Acts 24v15

 

[DoctorAnswerMan]

Correct. No where does it say Adam 'came to have' a soul, or that Adam 'came to possess' a soul.

Cute illustration about the light bulb going out because in order for the light bulb to 'live again', so to speak, it would have to be reconnected with its source or electricity.

A dead soul would have to be reconnected to his source by having a resurrection. Resurrected to life in heaven or resurrected to life on earth.
-Acts 24v15

So in this case that 'reconnection' would imply a reconnection of the dead soul with the original generative source of its life in order for it to become once again a living soul. In the case of Judeo-Christian theology that would require a restoration of the relationship with God that Adam sacrificed when he joined Eve and the 'Original Serpent' in their rebellion against that very source of life. Thus the bulb that was dead may be revived with a 'more perfect filament' than the one that has been passed down to us at this time. Would that agree with your thoughts on the matter?

 

[DoctorAnswerMan]

Where is the soul! Would you probably mean what is the soul? The soul is a condition, and condition is an arbitrary emanation which occupies no place in matter or in space. Soul is the combination of body with the breath of life. That's what we call the living soul. It comes from the word nephesh in Hebrew. When here in Israel there is an accident or terrorist attack, the first question is, "How many nephashote were there at the scene?" The dead ones are no longer nephashote but guffote, which means dead bodies. Once one is dead, the soul is non-existent. The body goes back to the dust and the breath of life (or spirit) goes back to God Who gave it. Being this a metaphor for the wind or atmosphere. (Eccl. 12:7)

Fine thoughts. But I do not understand the metaphor allusion. Elaborate?

 

[ImmortalPhoenix]

If you believe in auras, then that would be the soul: the totality of the physical and mental being.
I think the center of our soul rests in our chakras, and the soul extends out from there.