Why should I believe in your religion and faith?

[McBell]

Post #299 does make any sense with the quotes being buggered up.

 

[Kcnorwood]

Are you impying that Buddha and Jesus never existed? Could you please share what Buddha taught that Jesus also taught. Thanks! :rainbow1:

Scroll up.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

Its heresy against CATHOLIC doctrine yes. but it is not based on all scripture. definitely not.

Worshipping a different God as depicted in the bible is idolatry.
is it damnable? it depends.

sure, HOME « Eliseo Soriano and Members of the Church of God International

you can also see this video The Old Path TV - Streaming Media site of Members Church of God International#

Ang Dating Daan - About Us

Section 3

We believe that the God the Father sent His son Jesus Christ, instrumental in the establishment of the CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL, INC., the congregation of the Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, etc; first planted in the city of Jerusalem, and later on scattered and preached by the Apostles in different places of Asia Minor ( Matt. 16:18; Acts 8:1; Gal. 1:22; I Thes.2:14 ).

With the statement of faith above, does the Church of God International, INC claim to be the One True Church?

DW070 - equip.org

THE WORLDWIDE CHURCH OF GOD:

RESURRECTED INTO ORTHODOXY

Herbert W. Armstrong died in 1986 at the patriarchal age of 93, and his Worldwide Church of God has been burying portions of his theology ever since. During this decade-long funeral, the WCG itself has experienced an institutional suffering and dying, losing 130 or more of its 450 ministers and seeing at least 30,000 members scatter into 25 splinter churches or out of church life entirely.

Distinctives. The Worldwide Church of God became known for an assortment of doctrinal distinctives that placed it at odds with historic Christianity. Among other aberrations, Armstrong:

• Condemned the Trinity as a pagan doctrine.
• Taught that “all saints” become little gods after their resurrection.
• Denied that Christians can be born again prior to the resurrection.
• Promoted Anglo-Israelism, the belief that British people are the literal descendants of the ten “lost” tribes of Israel.
• Urged keeping the Old Testament law, including strict Sabbath observance and dietary restrictions.
• Prohibited celebrating Christmas or Easter, which he condemned as pagan holidays. (Instead, WCG members observed seven Holy Days: Passover, the Festival of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, the Festival of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, the Festival of Tabernacles, and the Last Great Day.)
• Forbade members to consult medical doctors when sick.
• Stressed tithing to a legalistic extreme. (Strictly observant WCG members gave 30 percent: 10 percent for a regular tithe, 10 percent to support the annual Feast of Tabernacles, and 10 percent intended to support widows and orphans within the WCG)
• Forbade members to remarry after divorce and insisted that they remain celibate if they remarried after divorce.
• Insisted that the WCG was the only true church.
• Closed the movement’s doors to visitors and welcomed only converts.
​

 

[uss_bigd]

Its heresy against CATHOLIC doctrine yes. but it is not based on all scripture. definitely not.

Anybody can distort truth by twisting scripture by isolating certain passages from the context of the entire Bible (all of scripture revelation interperted as one).

How would a 5th grader understand about being equal to the Father on the verse below?

Philippians 2
If you have any encouragement from being united with Christ, if any comfort from his love, if any fellowship with the Spirit, if any tenderness and compassion, then make my joy complete by being like-minded, having the same love, being one in spirit and purpose. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit, but in humility consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others. Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
but made himself nothing,
taking the very nature of a servant,
being made in human likeness.
And being found in appearance as a man,
he humbled himself
and became obedient to death—
even death on a cross!
Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
and gave him the name that is above every name,
that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord,
to the glory of God the Father.

read the verse again,

"Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
but made himself nothing,"

Sir, Jesus was refering to nature, the nature of being God. as far as nature is concerned they are both Gods. that is where they were equal, but not in entirely equal.

besides, it was "Jesus who said the father is greater than he" as far as i am concerned you are not debating with me here. I did not say the Father was greater than Jesus, JESUS was the one who said it.

Again, greater does not mean equal.

 

[McBell]

Ang Dating Daan - About Us

Section 3

We believe that the God the Father sent His son Jesus Christ, instrumental in the establishment of the CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL, INC., the congregation of the Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, etc; first planted in the city of Jerusalem, and later on scattered and preached by the Apostles in different places of Asia Minor ( Matt. 16:18; Acts 8:1; Gal. 1:22; I Thes.2:14 ).

With the statement of faith above, does the Church of God International, INC claim to be the One True Church?

Left field it much?

 

[Wandered Off]

Christianity can be quite validly interpreted symbolically.

To expand on this a bit:

Now if Christ is preached, that He has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead? But if there is no resurrection of the dead, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain. Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised. For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised; and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins. Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished. If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.

Joseph Campbell presents an alternative view in Pathways to Bliss:

I think one of the great calamities of contemporary life is that the religions that we have inherited have insisted on the concrete historicity of their symbols. The Virgin Birth, for example, or the ascension into heaven - these are symbols that are found in the mythologies of the world. Their primary reference must be to the psyche from which they have come. They speak to us of something in ourselves. They cannot primarily refer to historical events. And one of our greatest problems that is confronting us now is that the authority of the institutions that have been presenting us with these symbols - the religions in which we have been raised - has come into doubt simply because they have insisted on talking about their underlying myths as historical events somewhere.

Christianity doesn't necessarily have to come crashing down if you don't take it literally.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

Its heresy against CATHOLIC doctrine yes. but it is not based on all scripture. definitely not.

read the verse again,

"Your attitude should be the same as that of Christ Jesus:
Who, being in very nature God,
did not consider equality with God something to be grasped,
but made himself nothing,"

Sir, Jesus was refering to nature, the nature of being God. as far as nature is concerned they are both Gods. that is where they were equal, but not in entirely equal.

besides, it was "Jesus who said the father is greater than he" as far as i am concerned you are not debating with me here. I did not say the Father was greater than Jesus, JESUS was the one who said it.

Again, greater does not mean equal.

Please answer my question below.

Ang Dating Daan - About Us

Section 3

We believe that the God the Father sent His son Jesus Christ, instrumental in the establishment of the CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL, INC., the congregation of the Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, etc; first planted in the city of Jerusalem, and later on scattered and preached by the Apostles in different places of Asia Minor ( Matt. 16:18; Acts 8:1; Gal. 1:22; I Thes.2:14 ).

With the statement of faith above, does the Church of God International, INC claim to be the One True Church?

 

[uss_bigd]

Please answer my question below.

Ang Dating Daan - About Us

Section 3

We believe that the God the Father sent His son Jesus Christ, instrumental in the establishment of the CHURCH OF GOD INTERNATIONAL, INC., the congregation of the Apostles, Prophets, Teachers, etc; first planted in the city of Jerusalem, and later on scattered and preached by the Apostles in different places of Asia Minor ( Matt. 16:18; Acts 8:1; Gal. 1:22; I Thes.2:14 ).

With the statement of faith above, does the Church of God International, INC claim to be the One True Church?

We claim to have associated our selves with the church preached in the bible, which is the one true Church.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

We claim to have associated our selves with the church preached in the bible, which is the one true Church.

Is your church rooted from the movement below?

Distinctives. The Worldwide Church of God became known for an assortment of doctrinal distinctives that placed it at odds with historic Christianity. Among other aberrations, Armstrong:

• Condemned the Trinity as a pagan doctrine.
• Taught that “all saints” become little gods after their resurrection.
• Denied that Christians can be born again prior to the resurrection.
• Promoted Anglo-Israelism, the belief that British people are the literal descendants of the ten “lost” tribes of Israel.
• Urged keeping the Old Testament law, including strict Sabbath observance and dietary restrictions.
• Prohibited celebrating Christmas or Easter, which he condemned as pagan holidays. (Instead, WCG members observed seven Holy Days: Passover, the Festival of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, the Festival of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, the Festival of Tabernacles, and the Last Great Day.)
• Forbade members to consult medical doctors when sick.
• Stressed tithing to a legalistic extreme. (Strictly observant WCG members gave 30 percent: 10 percent for a regular tithe, 10 percent to support the annual Feast of Tabernacles, and 10 percent intended to support widows and orphans within the WCG)
• Forbade members to remarry after divorce and insisted that they remain celibate if they remarried after divorce.
• Insisted that the WCG was the only true church.
• Closed the movement’s doors to visitors and welcomed only converts.
​

 

[uss_bigd]

Is your church rooted from the movement below?


Distinctives. The Worldwide Church of God became known for an assortment of doctrinal distinctives that placed it at odds with historic Christianity. Among other aberrations, Armstrong:

• Condemned the Trinity as a pagan doctrine.​

• Taught that “all saints” become little gods after their resurrection.​

• Denied that Christians can be born again prior to the resurrection.​

• Promoted Anglo-Israelism, the belief that British people are the literal descendants of the ten “lost” tribes of Israel.​

• Urged keeping the Old Testament law, including strict Sabbath observance and dietary restrictions.​

• Prohibited celebrating Christmas or Easter, which he condemned as pagan holidays. (Instead, WCG members observed seven Holy Days: Passover, the Festival of Unleavened Bread, Pentecost, the Festival of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, the Festival of Tabernacles, and the Last Great Day.)​

• Forbade members to consult medical doctors when sick.​

• Stressed tithing to a legalistic extreme. (Strictly observant WCG members gave 30 percent: 10 percent for a regular tithe, 10 percent to support the annual Feast of Tabernacles, and 10 percent intended to support widows and orphans within the WCG)​

• Forbade members to remarry after divorce and insisted that they remain celibate if they remarried after divorce.​

• Insisted that the WCG was the only true church.​

• Closed the movement’s doors to visitors and welcomed only converts.​

No sir, My Chuch is not rooted from the movement above. we are members, church of God international. not worldwide Chruch of God.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

No sir, My Chuch is not rooted from the movement above. we are members, church of God international. not worldwide Chruch of God.

Both churches reject the doctrine of the Trinity.

 

[uss_bigd]

Both churches reject the doctrine of the Trinity.

Yes i saw that was the case for the doctrine of the trinity. but that does not make us the same.

here some of the things that you included in the things that the Worldwide COG was doing that is not biblical

they prohibited marriage, it is not biblical
they only accept converts in their gatherings, it is not biblical

besides sir, the name it self is already different.

what is your point?

 

[McBell]

HIs point is now the thread has been directed away from some seriously uncomfortable questions.
His elitist attitude does not fit well with his blatant avoidance...
But then, that is merely my opinion.

 

[Fish-Hunter]

Yes i saw that was the case for the doctrine of the trinity. but that does not make us the same.

here some of the things that you included in the things that the Worldwide COG was doing that is not biblical

they prohibited marriage, it is not biblical
they only accept converts in their gatherings, it is not biblical

besides sir, the name it self is already different.

what is your point?

A red flag of false teaching can be found when a particular religious group or organization claims to be "The One True Church". It seems to me that your particular organization appears to fit that category. I apologize in advance if I am wrong with your church's apparent claim of being "The One True Church". By your answer and your church website, I have interpreted it to claim to be "The One True Church". That theme seems to be very popular on this site from unorthodox Christian organizations.

 

[doppelganger]

Christianity doesn't necessarily have to come crashing down if you don't take it literally.[/font]

Except that, for some people, it most certainly does. They must have the certainty that comes of "believing in" the power of someone else's words, because coming up with one's own meaning spoils the illusion of certainty that comes of steadfast belief that there is some power in control of a chaotic universe . . . other than one's own thoughts.

Is spiritual and emotional progress merely the giving up of the comfort of "belief"? For some, a high level of certainty is a psycho-social need, and direct spiritual experience, or individual creative expression would disrupt the authority by which they compartmentalize aspects of their nature.

For others . . . not so much. :rainbow1:

 

[doppelganger]

By your answer and your church website, I have interpreted it to claim to be "The One True Church". That theme seems to be very popular on this site from unorthodox Christian organizations.

(emphasis added).

Here . . . I'll let you borrow mine:

 

[Wandered Off]

A red flag of false teaching can be found when a particular religious group or organization claims to be "The One True Church".

That looks like a similar flag to this one...

The God revealed in the Bible proclaims to be the One True God, and other gods are false gods, or idols with no power.

One claim fairly naturally leads to the other.

 

[Wandered Off]

Except that, for some people, it most certainly does.

You're right. That's what I meant with the "necessarily" qualifier, but your clarification captures it much better.

 

[Kcnorwood]

I do not know about him, but I am merely stating the fact that you cannot expect someone to disprove that Jesus was crucified when you cannot even prove he even existed.

Does this mean that Jesus did not exist?
Not by any means.
It merely means that his existence cannot be proven outside the scriptures the bible is based upon.

Furthermore, you have thus far gone out of your way to ignore the fact that NOTHING Jesus taught was new.

You noticed that to huh?

 

[McBell]

You noticed that to huh?

Yes I did.
I also noticed his witch hunt attempt on USS.
But as was already pointed out, He revealed his own hypocrisy with that one.

Guess he never heard about cleaning ones own back yard before whining about the neighbors