Zakir Naik Debating

[Thoughts]

Why?



There are Christians who regard the entire Tanakh as non-applicable in light of the New Testament. As for the Tanakh, I will defer to RF's Jews, who are far more knowledgeable in that rabbit hole than I could ever be.

What do you mean by why ?

Some of them aha !

So which group is the right group

Then they accept holly book according to what they prefer

It is not matter of religion

 

[Thoughts]

No they believe that such thing happened it is part of their religion

When they pray they sing bible

When the get married they use words from bible

 

[Riverwolf]

What do you mean by why ?

Why must it be in the Bible?

Some of them aha !

So which group is the right group

Then they accept holly book according to what they prefer

It is not matter of religion

Like I keep saying: the Bible is not the Qur'an.

No they believe that such thing happened it is part of their religion

You do realize that early Christianity didn't even have a Bible, right?

 

[Thoughts]

Why must it be in the Bible?



Like I keep saying: the Bible is not the Qur'an.



You do realize that early Christianity didn't even have a Bible, right?

I want to clarify one thing before start debating about bible issue

You said that some Christian believe bible true

If it is true some of them belive about bible
so zakir is talking to these group

Then he is not layer


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early Christianity that mean new one

So they created new Christianity

They decided there is no bible by their own

Who gave him such permission ?

So they omit whatever they like and keep whatever they want

So it is ok if someone come and said let remove Jesus from bible

Then they call them self Christianity

Religion in all countries is not changeable

If some one changed any thing in a religion it become distortion

Zakir trying to say that there is distortion in Christianity

They gave their self to right to omit what ever they like

Same thing happened with bible people came and changed
Lines then now they omit whole bible later on who knows

I wish you get my point

 

[Thoughts]

Perhaps neither of them. Perhaps it's just a story.

You mean contradictions. That's just a given.

Now, why there are, my answer is that it's just what happens when you have a collection of otherwise independent works, tied together only by theme, whose authorship is often separated by centuries. It doesn't mean the Bible is worthless.

So they are laying about being bible holly

They say holly bible

Sacred bible

Look at Holly and sacred definition

Holly and Sacred use to wards related to god

In fact they believe the whole bible is true

Notice I am not talking about new Christianity


E.g Christianity living in Egypt believe bible is true

Christianity celebrate for sacrfying juese

Church man nock three time as mentioned in bible

He also says the same wards mentioned in bible

Which indicates that they think story on bible

Real


# i really do not want to continue arguing about
This issue so you will think I am stubborn



What about the following line

Numbers 6:3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.

Here Christian admit that bible prohibit wine



WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT ALCOHOL

by Andrew Corbett

The Bible is black and white about certain issues such as murder, lying, property rights, and interpersonal relationships. But there are some issues that Christians feel very strongly about such as family values, hygiene, church attendance and fashion, that the Bible appears not to be very categorical about. Another issue that stirs emotions ranging from anger and disgust, to, indifference and carelessness, is the use of alcohol.



THE DANGER OF LEGALISM

In discussing the issue of alcohol I want to avoid two dangerous extremes. Firstly, man-made legalism which teaches that the salvation Christ purchased through His blood shed on the cross, and received by putting our faith in Him, is in doubt if we break a man-made rule. Secondly, antinomianism (a license to sin) where a person is under no obligations whatsoever to walk worthy of the salvation that Christ offers. In relation to alcohol, I want to stress that their various opinions among Christians that are worthy of respect. Throughout history there have been some very godly and influential Christians who have drunk alcohol (for example, Martin Luther used to brew and drink his own beer, Charles Spurgeon also drank hard liquor), and other equally great and influential Christians who were temperate (non-drinkers).



@ @ Here he mention that there are religious man say not drink wine
Other say iy is ok exactly what I mentioned @ @

They still don't know whether wine allowed or not
Because of contradiction

So it happened and it is not words come out of my mouth


One of the reasons I have never preached on the subject of alcohol is my concern that some people who hold very passionate views either way and will make this an issue for our mutual fellowship. I’m reminded that doctrines never divide, only attitudes do. I trust that we are mature enough to perhaps disagree yet enjoy fellowship with each other.

Therefore, in stressing the main points of this article I need to stress that if someone disagrees with these findings and conclusions found here, I am not suggesting that their salvation is in question, or that they are not striving to live a liberated and godly life. I have endeavoured to avoid these two deadly extremes of legalism and antinomianism in presenting this article.



DEALING WITH BIBLICAL GREY AREAS

 

[Philomath]

How did this become a thread about the Bible?

 

[Poeticus]

'Cause of the dude above you...

 

[Assad91]

Naik is another worthless salafi preacher whose fame is dependant on guillable peeps/

And what does bible have anything do to with this fact.

 

[Riverwolf]

Religion in all countries is not changeable

If some one changed any thing in a religion it become distortion

And if there's no change, it becomes stagnant and dies.

So they are laying about being bible holly

They say holly bible

Sacred bible

Look at Holly and sacred definition

It means something to be separated from the mundane.

BTW, it's spelled "Holy". "Holly" is a plant (a sacred plant, by the way. ^_^)

What about the following line

Numbers 6:3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.

You mean this bit?

2. Speak to the children of Israel, and you shall say to them: A man or woman who sets himself apart by making a nazirite vow to abstain for the sake of the Lord.
3. He shall abstain from new wine and aged wine; he shall not drink [even] vinegar made from new wine or aged wine, nor shall he drink anything in which grapes have been steeped, and he shall eat neither fresh grapes nor dried ones.
4. For the entire duration of his abstinence, he shall not eat any product of the grape vine, from seeds to skins.

Pretty darn clear that it's not speaking against alcohol in general, but during a specific type of abstinence.

 

[Thoughts]

And if there's no change, it becomes stagnant and dies.



It means something to be separated from the mundane.

BTW, it's spelled "Holy". "Holly" is a plant (a sacred plant, by the way. ^_^)



You mean this bit?

2. Speak to the children of Israel, and you shall say to them: A man or woman who sets himself apart by making a nazirite vow to abstain for the sake of the Lord.
3. He shall abstain from new wine and aged wine; he shall not drink [even] vinegar made from new wine or aged wine, nor shall he drink anything in which grapes have been steeped, and he shall eat neither fresh grapes nor dried ones.
4. For the entire duration of his abstinence, he shall not eat any product of the grape vine, from seeds to skins.

Pretty darn clear that it's not speaking against alcohol in general, but during a specific type of abstinence.

It is difficult to let you get what I mean

So that why it take long conversation
And it doesn't mean I am frankly

My all posts to explain you my I mean by my speech

U said :
It become dies

It is your point of view

Words already lifless

God rules is not changeable because no one can bring better

Like stop drinking wine is for human benefit

One who drink wine don't differentiate between mother or wife

Alchol consequence is very bad to humanity like diseases

So there is no better choice than stop drinking wine

So you agree that bible was changed

Changing god speech me

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ans they are working against both jesus and god


People don't change god speech

If god said don't drink wine and then you said god allow drinking wine

You are misleading people and encourge them to disobey god

Like the forum that you register you can't change their rule

If you did you will get punished

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Speech was to children of israel
Wallah I know

Prophet came to israel and all prophet came to israel according to bible

Previous one also was to israel

Fact god is one and his rule to all humanity is the same

So why he will give one prophet different order from other


Saying god allowed drinking wine means god doesn't know
Consequences of drinking wine

God rules to protect humanity not to harm them

God created every thing and he know every thing
Christianti also believe in such thing

It is difficult to let you understand because you don't know what is god
What does prophet mean
what does israel mean

There are concept that doesn't change
Like Allah know the known and unknown
Allah is perfection

Saying Allah disable is insult

Even Indian who say there are multi god
They have one with all goodness

Allah created your whole body and he know
What is good and what is not

So according to his knowledge he put the rule
To human benefit


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Christian say that jesus is son of god
Because he was born with no father

So what?

Uzair was born with no father


They say jesus was mentioned in bible
A's son of god


So what?

Adam was mentioned in bible as son of god


They say he has holly spirit

So what?

In bible zakrya wife was full of holly spirit


They say he has miracles like making people alive

So what?

There is prophet mentioned in bible who make dead
People alive while he is dead

There is two group of Christianti each claims they are right

Now they become three because new Christianti claims there don't believe in bible

Because of these contradiction like the wine

cyrus turned.to beliving there is no god

You can find his conversion in youtube

There is Christianti believe in jesus as god
Every one know them

Small group of Christianity say jesus is prophet
They called yahwa

 

[Thoughts]

I know they say holly plants

We as religious people say holly plant because
We believe every thing is created by allah

So it is holly

 

[Thoughts]

Because bible contradiction he turned to secularity

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Christian man confirming there is contradiction in bible


And one of her household witness,

 

[Philomath]

Because bible contradiction he turned to secularity

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What does this have to do with the OP?

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it a bit odd that a Muslim is arguing with a follower of Asatru over how a Muslim is right about Hinduism by arguing about flaws in the Bible??? *head explodes*

 

[Philomath]

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it a bit odd that a Muslim is arguing with a follower of Asatru over how a Muslim is right about Hinduism by arguing about flaws in the Bible??? *head explodes*

Hahaha

Only on the internet

 

[Thoughts]

What does this have to do with the OP?

This whole conversation about zakir naik

Zakir is debate people about christianti

So trying to clarify what is he doing and that is it

 

[Thoughts]

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it a bit odd that a Muslim is arguing with a follower of Asatru over how a Muslim is right about Hinduism by arguing about flaws in the Bible??? *head explodes*

No not arguing about hindu

But trying to explain him what does god mean

Or do you think god is disable

Religious concept is same in all religion

Because once I explain something he says don't interpete bible
It has different meaning

 

[Philomath]

This whole conversation about zakir naik

Zakir is debate people about christianti

So trying to clarify what is he doing and that is it

I watched the video and there was nothing related to Zakir Naik in it.

No not arguing about hindu

But trying to explain him what does god mean

Or do you think god is disable

Religious concept is same in all religion

Religious concepts are not the same in all religions.

 

[Thoughts]

I watched the video and there was nothing related to Zakir Naik in it.



Religious concepts are not the same in all religions.

you have to read all posts to get your answers


I mean main religious like god hell paradise and so on and so forth


Zakir naik talk about contradiction in bible

There is line describe event in away then in other line it describes same event in opposite way

Then he kept asking me question and I answering him till we end to this point

This man prove that there is contradiction in bible because he left christianti

 

[Riverwolf]

Is it just me, or does anyone else find it a bit odd that a Muslim is arguing with a follower of Asatru over how a Muslim is right about Hinduism by arguing about flaws in the Bible??? *head explodes*

^_^ In fairness, I was a Hindu for some time, and came across Naik's lies quite often.