Your religion a lie?

[painted wolf]

what no messing around with Jim.... darn it, there goes my weekend.

wa:do

 

[Shadow Wolf]

The social pressures associated with Christianity are impossible to deny

What pressures? To live like a Christian, or be one? Thier are thousands who are do not fit the criteria for either one, myself included.

 

[ayani]

what no messing around with Jim.... darn it, there goes my weekend.

wa:do

haha! frubals.

 

[Anti-World]

"do you believe that when people believe they are liars?"

No, I've said this before. By the following definition: 2.confidence in the truth or existence of something not immediately susceptible to rigorous proof: a statement unworthy of belief.
Belief is saying something is true without actually knowing it. It's a lie.

"yes i admit, in the past many religions have had huge problems, but those are resolved now. but do me a favor, take a long hard look at what you are saying, hate mongering was one of those mistakes religions had, and some still do."

If you are suggesting that I'm hate mongering you are wrong. I find faith and belief very amusing. I like to watch people scramble and try to describe why everything they believe isn't a lie when it obviously is.

"How would removing my sanity make me 'truly' believe in God? I ALREADY 'truly' believe in God. What social pressures are you talking about?"

Because once you remove yourself from the teachings of other people you can make yourself believe in anything as if it's really there. If I were to hide in a little black box for years I'm confident I could make myself see and hear all sorts of things.

"Ah. We're on the same page. Nevermind then "

This is the only question you should really respond to: Is your religion a lie? If not, why? I didn't need to write out a massive article to support the statement that everyones religion has no proof. I didn't need to go through, come up with a thesis statement, write out my main arguments, and then go through and describe them all because it's simply a question that I present to you.

"I think that's very true. The real problem is one shared by many who gainsay religion and faith, you think you are the one who thought of it first."

What difference does that make? I certainly hope I'm not the first.

"If your logic fails to make sense, it's the fault of the hearer? An argument can make internal sense and still fail to convince."

Ha. My arguments fail to make sense simply because I am not good at thinking the same way as everyone else. I can see where people come from. I can understand why they believe what they do, but what I would see as a good explanation is not the same as what others would see as a good explanation.

Maddlama:
I don't have a superiority complex... But, again, if that's what you want to beleive go for it.

Atheism is a religion. You have your own religion associated with it.

Why is it no one is willing to state: My religion is not a lie, it's based off of tangible facts which are... ?

 

[Anti-World]

"What pressures? To live like a Christian, or be one? Thier are thousands who are do not fit the criteria for either one, myself included."

Social pressures are incredible massive. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a book written on it. To name a few:

Your parents or whoever raised you probably taught you to think in a liberal or coservative way. They laid the foundation for what kind of religion you are going to follow when you are older.

The rewards from following a religion would pressure you into following it. For instance, if you are a social person the simple fact that people are agreeing with you and backing you up may be enough to pressure you into staying in a religion.

There's also the negative reinforcement by peers like telling you over and over again that if you do certain things in your life you are going to go to hell and they teach you the dependency on them needed for forgiveness.

There's also the dependency of learning morals from other people because that's what you are use to doing.

You could be pressured into Christianity by simply being taught morals your entire life and not being taught to think for yourself. You might need that moral outlet because you are use to having it.

 

[painted wolf]

My parents taught me to think for myself.
They are Republicans, I'm Indipendant.
They are Christian, I'm not.
I grew up in a religous family, in a town of less than three thousand with four large churches.
Most of my peers are Agnostic or Athiest with a few Wiccan and Christians thrown in.

Peer pressure is over rated.

wa:do

 

[Popeyesays]

"How would removing my sanity make me 'truly' believe in God? I ALREADY 'truly' believe in God. What social pressures are you talking about?"

Because once you remove yourself from the teachings of other people you can make yourself believe in anything as if it's really there. If I were to hide in a little black box for years I'm confident I could make myself see and hear all sorts of things.

"Ah. We're on the same page. Nevermind then "

This is the only question you should really respond to: Is your religion a lie? If not, why? I didn't need to write out a massive article to support the statement that everyones religion has no proof. I didn't need to go through, come up with a thesis statement, write out my main arguments, and then go through and describe them all because it's simply a question that I present to you.

"I think that's very true. The real problem is one shared by many who gainsay religion and faith, you think you are the one who thought of it first."

What difference does that make? I certainly hope I'm not the first.

"If your logic fails to make sense, it's the fault of the hearer? An argument can make internal sense and still fail to convince."

Ha. My arguments fail to make sense simply because I am not good at thinking the same way as everyone else. I can see where people come from. I can understand why they believe what they do, but what I would see as a good explanation is not the same as what others would see as a good explanation.

Ah! The arrogance of youth, bet you stank at math.

Maddlama:
I don't have a superiority complex... But, again, if that's what you want to beleive go for it.

Yet you say: "If you are suggesting that I'm hate mongering you are wrong. I find faith and belief very amusing. I like to watch people scramble and try to describe why everything they believe isn't a lie when it obviously is."

This is patently a superiority complex. Check with any mental health practitioner.

Atheism is a religion. You have your own religion associated with it.

Why is it no one is willing to state: My religion is not a lie, it's based off of tangible facts which are... ?

Define `tangible'.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Popeyesays]

<Social pressures are incredible massive. I wouldn't be surprised if there were a book written on it. To name a few:>

And the older you get the less pressure there is. Social pressures can crush the young because they allow it.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Your parents or whoever raised you probably taught you to think in a liberal or coservative way. They laid the foundation for what kind of religion you are going to follow when you are older.

The rewards from following a religion would pressure you into following it. For instance, if you are a social person the simple fact that people are agreeing with you and backing you up may be enough to pressure you into staying in a religion.

There's also the negative reinforcement by peers like telling you over and over again that if you do certain things in your life you are going to go to hell and they teach you the dependency on them needed for forgiveness.

There's also the dependency of learning morals from other people because that's what you are use to doing.

You could be pressured into Christianity by simply being taught morals your entire life and not being taught to think for yourself. You might need that moral outlet because you are use to having it.

My parents did raise me to be a Baptist, and very conservative. I made it past that. None of my friends believe in hell. In fact, most them are athiest. I have one agnostic thiest friend, and two Wiccan friends.
As for morals, spend a half hour with me and my friends, and you will clearly see, we don't care much for what society thinks about morals. We live by our own rules, and don't care if anyone is offended. At my old house, I even put up a giant wall scroll of a Baphomet Pentagram on the wall to greatly offend my other room mates dad, who is conservative, and would stop in announced to make sure we are living "good and moral lives." And because of that alone, we had a habit of leaving liquor, marijuana, moonshine, pornography, gambling tabs, and other things left out.

 

[uumckk16]

Your parents or whoever raised you probably taught you to think in a liberal or coservative way. They laid the foundation for what kind of religion you are going to follow when you are older.

Yes, they taught me to think in a liberal way. No, I do not agree with them on every issue. No, they did not lay any religious foundation for me, other than tolerance. My beliefs are very different from my parents'.

The rewards from following a religion would pressure you into following it. For instance, if you are a social person the simple fact that people are agreeing with you and backing you up may be enough to pressure you into staying in a religion.

The rewards of going to school - continuing to gain knowledge, working towards one's future, all of that - "pressure" people into continuing their education past high school or even college. So?

There's also the negative reinforcement by peers like telling you over and over again that if you do certain things in your life you are going to go to hell and they teach you the dependency on them needed for forgiveness.

1) Not all religions teach that.
2) I personally have never been told that, not to my face anyway.

There's also the dependency of learning morals from other people because that's what you are use to doing.

You could be pressured into Christianity by simply being taught morals your entire life and not being taught to think for yourself. You might need that moral outlet because you are use to having it.

Who cares if you learn morals from other people? You also learn important things like how to eat and bathe yourself from other people. So what?

I fail to see how any of this means religion is necessarily built on a lie. Plus, "religion" is a big term. You yourself said atheism was a religion. So what isn't a religion?? If every belief system is a religion then everyone's worldview is built on a lie? What?

BTW, I noticed you're relatively new here - welcome! Just for future reference, it's easier for people reading the thread if you click the button that says "quote" so other people's writing appears in a box separate from yours...

 

[Rolling_Stone]

If you beleive in anything, you're a liar.

:areyoucra

Either Anti-World has a sense of humor or his flight of stairs doesn't go all the way to the top. Get it? It's a statement of belief.

 

[Flappycat]

I see where the guy's coming from. He just hasn't learned to differentiate properly between faith claims and knowledge claims. He smells alright. Give the guy a crash course in religious tolerance, and he'll fit right in.

 

[Anti-World]

"This is patently a superiority complex. Check with any mental health practitioner."

I've been to many psychologists, live with one, and another (My aunt) visits regularly. I hear alot of different diagnoses' and way back from when I was very little the only mental or personality disorder that I have is commonly refferred to as Schizoid Personality Disorder.

"Ah! The arrogance of youth, bet you stank at math."

I don't see the connection whatsoever. I have always been good at math and in the College placement test they wanted to put me into Calculus and another class which teaches how to be a math teacher. I bet you "stank" at grammer.

Thanks Flappycat, I appreciate it.

To uumckk12:
The point is that religion has absolutely no foundation. I don't know how you can't see the significance of that claim. It means that every time anyone punishes someone for rape, for murder, for lying, for cussing, for stealing, etc, they do it only out of self-preservation. It also means that anyone could say that anything is moral and not be wrong.

To Luke Wolf- Amusing. Do you think you would do any of those things if your friends didn't do it along with you? In other words, if you had absolutely no one agree with you about what you talk about or if you had absolutely no contact with liberal people, like your freinds, do you think you would still do it?

To painted wolf: Your parents taught you to think outside of the box, right? Don't you think their ideals that they taught you have an effect on what religion you follow today. In other words, did your parents liberal philosophy impact your religion is such a way that it didn't even agree with their religious practices?

For the five sextillionth time, rolling_stone, my signature is not a belief.

I don't use the boxy quotes because they take up alot of space and I can never get them to work right.

 

[Willamena]

Why are they the liars? I want you all to look at yourselves and ask yourself, "Why am I any more right than they are?"

They are all believing in essentially the same thing.

 

[Rolling_Stone]

For the five sextillionth time, rolling_stone, my signature is not a belief.

That's what YOU believe! Face it, kid. To be human is to believe. The first post in this thread states what you believe religion to be and from that you make assumptions that are nothing but beliefs.

Get over yourself, and grow up.

 

[uumckk16]

That is the biggest load of bull in the entire world. The whole concept of laws and punishing crime is to protect not only individuals, but society as a whole. Yes, it is self preservation, but what is being preserved is society.

And anybody who exercises reason and free will can decide for themselves whether something trully is morally wrong or not. Just because my teacher might claim that it is morally acceptable to torture kittens because kittens don't have souls, that doesn't make it true and I would use my own personal reasoning skills to decide for myself whether or not there is any merrit to what she has to say.

:yes: Jmoum got to it before I could, and said it better than I could have anyway

 

[gnostic]

Christians seek and follow Christianity because of a desire to serve and glorify God. Almost all Christians are aware of 'other options'.

Why would Christians need to "glorify" god?

I find it strange that he would need "glorifying". "Glorifying" can only give this Supreme Being a bigger head.

Reading the Book of Job, he doesn't seem to be compassionate or loving; instead it made him look nothing more than arrogant bully, all to full of his "glory" self. He made Satan look wimpy in term of "arrogance".

I see the comparison of God's attitude in Book of Job as the same as Satan/Devil in Jesus' temptation in the wilderness (I forgot which gospel or chapter this is in).

 

[XAAX]

If you don't care, then why do you bother posting?

Well, I guess not caring would explain why every statement you've made so far on the subject of religion is misguided, and sadly misanthropic. After all, if you don't care, what would be the point of learning anything about it?

Because Anti-World is really afraid to believe in anything...He can try and rationalize everything away but ultimately end up confused and alone...:yes:

For someone who is so annoyed with people lying to him about religion, why would he come here and start a long drawn out thread on the topic...Truly silly...:bounce

 

[MaddLlama]

For someone who is so intent on disparaging religion every chance he gets, you shouldn't be talking...

 

[LogDog]

The fundamentalists and extremists are causing the problems. Leave everyone else alone

Moderates fuel the fire.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

SMS,


Even atheists. Look at how many we have here. They are not here because they enjoy a good conversation, but because they too seek the same answers, just in a different way. They won't call it spiritual though.


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uhhh...i'm here for the conversation thank you very much....

teee heee heeee


Being an athiest I can certainly say that because I reject religion does not mean i'm searching to find out who i am, where i come from or where i'm going.

to each his own....