You won't die until it's your time

[QuestioningMind]

I hear people say not to worry, because you won't die if it's not your time. What is this grounded in? Is this dealing with the fear of death/dangerous situations? Do you believe in this? I don't think I do.

It's a meaningless phrase, no different than saying that you won't die until you die.

 

[Sand Dancer]

It is tachycardia. So exercise then? I'll tell my doctor that we resolved my issue on RF.

Thanks.

I am not a doctor, but I have played a medical student on tv.

 

[Rational Agnostic]

An argument I consider closed. There is no such thing as free will. Determinism rules.

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What is your argument for determinism? I'm agnostic on the free will debate, but I lean slightly toward belief in free will rather than determinism. I'm open minded though.

 

[Skwim]

What is your argument for determinism? I'm agnostic on the free will debate, but I lean slightly toward belief in free will rather than determinism. I'm open minded though.

Here's a thread I posted some years ago that explains my thinking

A challenge to show me wrong
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Just to note, the thread generated a lot of interest and grew quite large, 506 posts, in which various opinions and claims are put forth, which may be of interest.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.

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[Rational Agnostic]

Here's a thread I posted some years ago that explains my thinking

A challenge to show me wrong
​

Just to note, the thread generated a lot of interest and grew quite large, 506 posts, in which various opinions and claims are put forth, which may be of interest.

If you have any questions feel free to ask.

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That is an intriguing argument, and better articulated then Sam Harris' argument against free will IMO. Will have to think more about it.

 

[PruePhillip]

If "your time" just means "the-time-at-which-you-will-die", then it would seem to be a fairly obvious and useless truism.

If it means that the time at which you are destined to die is fixed and you cannot alter it then it seems to be a denial of free will and consequently somewhat open to argument.

If you read the works or see the videos of Peter Fenwick
he adds some nuance to this idea of when your time is up.
Personally your time is up if you step in front of a truck, but
he speaks of people in the medical profession who alerted
family members to the probable time of death of a patient
solely on the basis of what that patient told them. Some
people just "know" when their time is up. Controversially
some of these patients knew this, they claimed, because
they were told by others who died before them.

 

[exchemist]

If you read the works or see the videos of Peter Fenwick
he adds some nuance to this idea of when your time is up.
Personally your time is up if you step in front of a truck, but
he speaks of people in the medical profession who alerted
family members to the probable time of death of a patient
solely on the basis of what that patient told them. Some
people just "know" when their time is up. Controversially
some of these patients knew this, they claimed, because
they were told by others who died before them.

People spin all sorts of yarns about death.

 

[exchemist]

When I'm on an airplane, I sometimes think...
I hope it's not the time for a fellow passenger.
That would be unfair to the rest of us.

The time to have such thoughts is on the freeway, rather than in a plane.

 

[PruePhillip]

People spin all sorts of yarns about death.

Even clinical psychologists like Fenwick. He said no-one can do
valid science on the Near Death Experience now because its
become a cultural thing. When he was doing the early work
few were aware their experiences were shared by others.
I respect his respect for science. And it was good, statistical
science too.

 

[exchemist]

Even clinical psychologists like Fenwick. He said no-one can do
valid science on the Near Death Experience now because its
become a cultural thing. When he was doing the early work
few were aware their experiences were shared by others.
I respect his respect for science. And it was good, statistical
science too.

Yes Fenwick seems to be interesting on this. But has he really got anything more than a series of anecdotes of subjective experiences, with some common features?

 

[Seek truth]

I hear people say not to worry, because you won't die if it's not your time. What is this grounded in? Is this dealing with the fear of death/dangerous situations? Do you believe in this? I don't think I do.

As a muslim we should always remind the death. We beed to remind ourselves, did I obey God's commands to enter the paradise? Etc...
Because you never know when you will die, so you always need to be ready to face God's justice.

 

[PruePhillip]

Yes Fenwick seems to be interesting on this. But has he really got anything more than a series of anecdotes of subjective experiences, with some common features?

The one that interested me was the "experience" of people who showed "flat line" on EEG's,
meaning their brain was completely stopped.
Also statistics from people in the care industry on these phenomena.
Three people in my own family have had these experiences, one of which is the rare (?)
Sympathetic Near Death Experience. This particular one demonstrates that the Near Death
Experience isn't necessarily brain breakdown - as it's experienced by someone close to the
dying person who's brain is perfectly well.
Fenwick is also a neurologist.

btw - I see any religious connection here - it's just super interesting. I should know, went
through the experience myself.

 

[ChristineM]

I agree, but it is scary to think life is all about chance.

I don't think it's scary, one can take various precautions, i.e. checking traffic before crossing the road, not flying on a plane known for an abysmal safety record.

Personally i am addicted to life but In the end we all die.

One good thing about it is, whether we like it or not, we only die once.

 

[ChristineM]

Having once worked on airplane design,
I think of all the things that can go wrong.
It doesn't help that I watch Air Disasters.

It also doesn't help that the company i regularly fly back and fourth to the UK is determined to upgrade its aircraft to the 800 max

 

[Revoltingest]

The time to have such thoughts is on the freeway, rather than in a plane.

On the freeway I am in complete 100% control of my destiny.
I look around at all the people I could kill with just a flick of the
steering wheel. The delicious feeling of malevolent great power
of life & death over others surges thru me veins. I become a god
of the old ways...vengeful & raging, ready to smite the unworthy
with my mighty fist of iron.
This keeps me alert on long trips.

 

[Good-Ole-Rebel]

One good thing about it is, whether we like it or not, we only die once.

For some, yes. For others, only if the Bible isn't true.

Good-Ole-Rebel

 

[Revoltingest]

It also doesn't help that the company i regularly fly back and fourth to the UK is determined to upgrade its aircraft to the 800 max

At least it's not an Airbus, which has...uh....never mind.

 

[ChristineM]

For some, yes. For others, only if the Bible isn't true.

Good-Ole-Rebel

So i am on a winner there then.

 

[ChristineM]

At least it's not an Airbus, which has...uh....never mind.

Just checked that out, although Boing and Airbus are pretty much neck and neck for safety it seem the airbus a 350 is the one with the perfect safety record.

 

[Revoltingest]

Just checked that out, although Boing and Airbus are pretty much neck and neck for safety it seem the airbus a 350 is the one with the perfect safety record.

If so, then it's so far.
Airbus has had its share of bizarre control
issues, particularly in Australiastan. Every
airplane with a great safety record is one
unpredictable accident away from a terrible
record. For your own mental health, ignore me.