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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by bobhikes, Mar 19, 2017.

  1. bobhikes

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    Not the point many people believe that religion causes more problems than it solves. I am asking for people that think that to explain to me why the world would be better. This is a mental exercise.
     
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    I'm a huge fan of being charitable. I just don't think you need to be part of a religion to be charitable. Let me ask you this, why would you need to do charity work via a religion?
     
  3. icehorse

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    You answered a different question than the one I asked ;)

    I would summarize your answer as "I don't think icehorse's goals are very likely". Fair enough, but what I want to know is if you think things would be better if they came true?
     
  4. lewisnotmiller

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    In my opinion it makes things worse (and I say this as an atheist).

    One of the issues I have with some religions is their dogmatic prescriptiveness and the resultant lack of personal responsibility people take for their actions.

    In short, some religions treat followers like sheep.

    To 'solve' this by banning certain sorts of thought is completely contrary to my worldview.

    Then again, I don't think communism (which is the common denominator in religious bans commonly cited here) is actually trying to encourage innovative free thought and individualism.

    (Hence why I always suggest that atheism in and of itself is not terribly informative. Only when understanding what someone DOES believe do you get a more complete picture.)
     
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    Okay......given what I have observed about humans over the 67 years I have been observing myself and the other Homo Sapiens the absence of religion will not mean the end of all wars and conflict. It will reduce them simply because they will have one less excuse. That's a start.
     
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    Is that why historically they have been bloody, viscous, and utterly without mercy, and today make up a large bulk of those pushing for discrimination the most?
     
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    Talk about a broad brush and ridiculous generalization. Geez.
     
  8. FearGod

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    Do you believe that the world will be better without religion and we won't see rapists,
    robbers, criminals, drug addicts ....etc?
     
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    Even your own denomination has discrimination policies against you just for doing nothing more than existing, and they have put their religion above putting children in homes.
    No, of course not all Christians and denominations are like that, but even the ones who aren't are turning to the same books that provide justification for the inhumane treatment of others for the ones who are.
     
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    I don't think we need to completely give up religion, I think many of us need to truly look at their religion and truly admit if it is harmful or not. We need to keep religion to ourselves and stop believing we have the only true religion, many right now are not mature enough to do this, they are still living in the past, and still practicing evils things that should of been left in the past, but thank the cosmos that this is slowly changing.
     
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    That's still a generalization. You're only focusing on negatives and ignoring where it's complicated or positive. It's not black and white, especially when you're talking about something so ancient and so global.

    As I recall, you are a Marxist, which has plenty of nastiness (as well as worthwhile things (which pains me to say because I generally can't stand Marxism, lol)) in its own history, including persecution of LGBT people, so I feel you're being just a tad hypocritical here.

    Maybe I should start a thread about how the world would be better off without Marxism and about how the non-violent Marxists are still pulling their ideas from the same books by Marx that the violent, totalitarian Marxists are getting their ideas from, and detailing all the crimes against humanity Marxist regimes have committed to the tune of tens of millions of deaths (more than WWI and WWII combined).
     
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  12. Shadow Wolf

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    Marxism, as Marx wrote it, hasn't even been practiced, that and very few today dogmatically cling to Classic Marxism. And, yes, the state is another bane to peaceful existence. Marxism wouldn't have one.
     
  13. Saint Frankenstein

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    Cop out.

    You realize I could claim that the Christians who carry out atrocities, are bigoted and make life worse for people are just not following the teachings of Christ, by the same token, right? So why are you applying a double standard for your political ideology, which doesn't even work in this instance? Marxism is a theory of how to get to communism. You mean to say that a State wouldn't exist in a communist society, which Marxism isn't. Marxism is the application of ideas stemming from Marx to get to communism (they hope, anyway; not that it's ever worked). So you could say that the USSR, China under Mao, the Khmer Rogue, Shining Path, etc. were Marxist, but they were not communist. We can certainly blame Marxism and its offshoots for the ocean of blood on its hands. So if you wish to say that religion has failed and should be thrown away, then we can more easily say that Marxism is a complete failure that should be quickly be thrown in the garbage heap of monumentally awful ideas, like Fascism and National Socialism. (Besides, it can't even create beauty and its "science" is complete nonsense.)
     
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    Good post! On top of that, promoting the view that "we're just animals" -- as CD evolution does-- will eventually lead to people viewing sex with "other" animals as natural. It's already mentioned in a nonchalant way on some TV shows! Already trying to condition the majority into accepting it! Sicko!
     
  15. bobhikes

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    Sure it would be better if they came true.
     
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    You need to state without false religion, think of how the world would be if everyone was one of Jehovah's people. Even now we have no wars, very little petty crimes, as well as a very low divorce rate. Soon Jehovah will eliminate false religion, I hope you will be there to experience it.

    capumetu @yours.com No space after u
     
  17. Shadow Wolf

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    It's not a cop out as Marx's writings have not been practiced, and there has been much tweaking and adjusting to the point today we have Neo-Marxism. These "changes and updates" are things that many churches are unwilling to do. Female priests and pastors are still rarity because of a few pages in the Bible that speak poorly of women. There are legal campaigns, today, from Christians, to make discrimination against LBGT legally classified as a religious right. Some Christians don't, but they are using the same book that commands the death of men who lie with men, claiming that their blood is on their hands.
     
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    A world without religion certainly wouldn't magically solve all of the world's problems. I'm not aware of anyone who claims that it would.

    Will Russia the US and China suddenly get along. Nope, not all world tensions are due to religions, especially not in this day and age.

    Will Pakistan and Israel suddenly become friends. Suddenly? Probably not, though without religious excuses for antagonism keeping them apart it's far more likely that they eventually would.

    Will North Korea become a paradise. No, however with the population no longer being brainwashed into believing that their leaders are gods, it will be more difficult for the current leadership to remain in power, which would be the first step in it someday becoming less of a hell hole.

    Will the US no longer have Women, Immigrant, Black, Gay rights problems. Sadly no... though bigots will no longer have religious arguments to fall back on in an attempt to justify their bigotry.

    Additional benefits include groups like ISIS and oppressive governments throughout the Middle East would no longer have religion to use to recruit followers or abuse their citizens. There would still be violent groups and oppressive governments, but just like in N Korea, it's much easier for an oppressor to stay in power if they can convince their people that God wants them to dutifully obey their king or for a fanatic to recruit if he can convince people that they're fulfilling God' will. It's fairly rare for someone to commit suicide in order to make a political statement, but sadly common for people to commit suicide due to religious convictions.
     
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    I can certainly suggest that 'religion' as understood from history and tradition, being a physical, materialist, theological construct of buildings, all the trappings that come with it, including a self ordained priesthood, probably has noting to do with the spiritual. One might gleen from accounts in Genesis that the original covenant, a single command or Law, that existed directly between God and man had no, needed no such embellishments.

    Of course the existence, ‘as in the beginning’ of such a single Law and command would be heretical to the established religious orders, for in practical terms, it would make them all instantly redundant, changing the very nature of religion itself from the top heavy, institutional temple/church traditions we observe in the world today, to an individual spiritual-virtue ethic conception, founded within the marriage of one man and one woman and without the need of a self ordained, theological priesthood or any other mumbo jumbo at all! Just integrity and fidelity to new moral purpose. Sounds like revolutionary stuff. Maybe that’s what sent Jesus to be crucified on the Cross?

    So the world would be much better off without religion as we understand it, because it is most probably false, a theological counterfeit, a human intellectual self deception. But be prepared to replace it with what is authentic and true. But yet to be revealed! For myself the question is if a second coming takes place, will it be to confirm or correct our understanding of God and my money is on the latter.
     
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  20. Shadow Wolf

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    I was miserable, depressed, and suicidal when I was one of his people.
    If you want to look at atheists as a group, and compare them to Christians as a group, things don't look so well for Christians.
    Religion Doesn't Make People More Moral, Study Finds


    http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822(15)01167-7

     
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