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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by bobhikes, Mar 19, 2017.

  1. bobhikes

    bobhikes AntiRepublican
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    Thanks for answering those are interesting beliefs hard to either prove or disprove. They are also hard to value.
     
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    I doubt everyone would consider themselves atheists. I really would see no reason for atheism to exist, there would be no religions. I want to know what the world would be like if everyone gave up religious beliefs. You can classify religious beliefs as you want. What would your world view be like how would it be better.
     
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    It wouldn't. We'd just fight over something else, like we always do. At least religion gives hope, purpose and structure so many people who need it, as well as providing beauty.
     
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    Why would it transfer to better other world views. Why would people become rational without religion. The current world populist support is without the majority of religious backing.
     
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    The past is the past removing religion today will not fix any past injustices. Poor countries will still exist, Rich people will still hoard money, governments will still seek power. How are these poor countries without religion going to get better?
     
  6. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
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    For me, a world without religion/spiritual beliefs would just leave me more apathetic and depressed about life. I think many would be like me.
     
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    To me, according to Scripture ( Bible education ) it is corrupted religion which will be gone from the world.
    The political (kings) will surprisingly turn on the false religious 'queen ' - Revelation 18:7 ( world's religions )
    False religion from both inside and outside of 'Christendom' ( so-called Christian but mostly in name only ).
    Once such false corrupted religion is gone from the world, then there will be Peace on Earth among men of goodwill.
    That is because Jesus, as Prince of Peace, will begin his thousand-year governmental rulership over Earth.
    In other words, it is the world's false troublesome religions that will be gone, but Not the governmental rule by Christ Jesus which will be left standing because Jesus will usher in global Peace on Earth.
     
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  8. bobhikes

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    That's nice but I'm interested in what people believe the earth will be like without religion and Jesus would be considered religious.
     
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    I have to agree. Many people lack the coping skills to get them through life comfortably, so do need their faith to serve as a crutch. In this respect, and only in this respect, I think religion is a good thing.

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    Everyone has a "crutch" they use to get through life. Everyone has things they enjoy that make them value life and want to live. You do, too.
     
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    It would be about the same but people would blame climate change for their problems.
     
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    Since schools seem to basically Not deal with morals, then a world without any religion could be an immoral world.

    Since Scripture teaches that humans are part of creation, then our in-born conscience is connected to God.
    If we ignore our conscience it can become hardened or calloused to the point of No more feeling for others.
    So, it would seem to me that without religious morals mankind would decline in love of neighbor, etc.
    As the earth was filled with violence in Noah's day, then today's violence will just escalate as people become further and further from God-given religious principles and morals.
     
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    The op is an exercise for people that believe the world would be better without religion. I would like to know how they feel the world would get better you clearly don't believe the world will be better. That's fine but its not what I'm looking for.
     
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    Oh yeah!

    I dosen' need no crutch of any kind.
    [​IMG] I's self deficient.

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    Compulsory and good quality universal education in the developing nations has been slow. Overall, females have been the most affected with little or no access to educational opportunities which can be attributed to social, traditional and deep-rooted religious and cultural beliefs that are often the barriers they encounter and unable to overcome.

    The poor quality of education worldwide constitutes a learning crisis; donors and development agencies have been complicit in its creation, but they can and should be part of the solution, not by prescribing changes, but by fostering conditions where change is possible.

    Solving the learning crisis will require flexible policies that allow developing countries to experiment with their own approaches and solutions. No single intervention or innovation will transform failing schools or provide children with the opportunities they need for the 21st century. While there is no universal prescription for education, the international community can help encourage the situation.
     
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    While what you say is true about some religions other religions encourage education for both males and females. I also do not attribute all the lack of education to religion alone but mostly male superiority complex(cultural beliefs). Many poor countries that have religions that support education also have the female education problem.

    I also don't see how countries become flexible with their policies once religions are gone. Most of the major wealthy nations already are growing non-religious they don't seem to be more flexible to non-residents. None are making an effort to better world education.
     
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    Do you think that if my claims came true they would represent improvements to our lives?
     
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    I am interested in what people think and don't want to critic to much but you asked.

    I don't believe people want honest conversations about important topics with religion or without.
    I believe prejudices are built in a part of evolution and no matter what happens we will always have them.
    Morals are subjective and we will never be collectively better.
    People should think more instead of relying on faith but I wouldn't bet on it. People would probably have more rabbits feet and lucky coins.
    I don't ever see universal human rights because humans are individuals and what some people want other people believe is wrong and not because of religion. Free Will and Determinism, Prostitution even bestiality are debated in a non-religious format in the RF some supporting some against.
     
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    I am just saying we give our blood so others could live. I hope you could also give blood too. Talking better would be nice over tea or coffee but how about some tube and a big needle in your arm so a patient could extend his/her life?

    Religions which cannot help are dead ones and money makers for their bosses. I am not talking about them. Religions which is all about rituals are nonsensical and the most boring of all. I am against them too. Religious activities which aims to help others are heaven sent for those who are helped.
     
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    That entirely depends upon how you figure to get rid of religion. Having a society without religion HAS been tried, and more than once. The problem is, every single time it has been tried (that is, religion/belief in deity is outlawed) we end up with genocide that outdoes any death count that can be attributed to any religion.

    Every.
    Single.
    Time.

    So from this we can conclude that forcibly getting rid of religion does not make anything better.

    What if it just sort of fades away because people lose their belief in a deity? Well....I don't see that it's doing the world a whole heck of a lot of good, myself, but then I, being an uncompromising theist and active member of a specific religion, may be biased.

    What I HAVE seen is that if there isn't a religion to help provide societal cohesion and a moral code, said moral code has to come from somewhere else....and that 'somewhere else' tends to be either something one takes out of a religion, or adopts from some humanistic philosophy. As far as I can tell, humanism is just a religion without the name, and 'humanity' is put in place of deity.

    Perhaps it would be better to wonder why, if there is no deity, humans keep making one up? Religion has to serve some purpose vital to humanity, or (again, if there is no God) there wouldn't be any.

    "Imagine" has a pretty tune, but frankly? It's the dumbest song I have ever heard.
     
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