Why should God bother showing miracles ?

[Vinayaka]

For example: If a magician need NOT to bother showing magic to his own kids, in order to prove himself as their "Father" ? Then why should God bother showing miracles in order to prove himself as "Creator" ?


Kindly note: please do refrain posting in this thread if you don't expect miracles, thank you.

I think it is just to help remove doubt in His/Her existence.

 

[chinu]

I think it is just to help remove doubt in His/Her existence.

Why can't God decline this request of yours ?

 

[Vinayaka]

Why can't God decline this request of yours ?

What makes you think I requested anything? That's a very unusual conclusion to my response.

 

[chinu]

What makes you think I requested anything? That's a very unusual conclusion to my response.

Oh! sorry.

 

[Quintessence]

No, no, no, you're not taking it far enough.

Every so often, we hear about the types who require "proof" or "evidence" usually in the narrow sense of what those mean to "believe" something. Don't make this about a father doing magic tricks to prove they are someone's father. It's even more basic than that.

How many of us have received proof in the narrow sense (a DNA test) that our fathers are our fathers?

 

[Nimos]

God told all this to you in person ?

No people that apparently tell the rest of us what God said did. If we can conclude that they didn't know what he was talking about either, then that is fine with me as well

 

[Nimos]

There are those that think the creator made the train, got it rolling, stole the brake handle, and left.

That might be the case, but in that case, people shouldn't "pretend" to know what such creator want and don't want. If he left, it means that we should bother about him in my opinion.

 

[shivsomashekhar]

All believers who represents themselves as believers are NOT true believers. Mostly there are just false people making false claims.

you answered your own question.

This is exactly why the various Gods of this world have to demonstrate that they are more than fantasy created by certain humans to exploit the fears of their fellow humans.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

 

[PAUL MARKHAM]

How many of us have received proof in the narrow sense (a DNA test) that our fathers are our fathers?

This makes perfect sense. If my father is a god or god is a mere mortal. Or it's just some refusing to give evidence.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

For example: If a magician need NOT to bother showing magic to his own kids, in order to prove himself as their "Father" ? Then why should God bother showing miracles in order to prove himself as "Creator" ?


Kindly note: please do refrain posting in this thread if you don't expect miracles, thank you.

God should show miracles if (and only if) he expects us to believe in him, and he doesn't want to directly appear.
Doesn't make a lot of sense to me, but there it is.

 

[MonkeyFire]

You cant perform miracles in front of human beings.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

No, no, no, you're not taking it far enough.

Every so often, we hear about the types who require "proof" or "evidence" usually in the narrow sense of what those mean to "believe" something. Don't make this about a father doing magic tricks to prove they are someone's father. It's even more basic than that.

How many of us have received proof in the narrow sense (a DNA test) that our fathers are our fathers?

It's an interesting point.
I accepted a lot of things when young, and then over time those beliefs developed and changed. When I was five, I didn't question 'God' at all. I'm not suggesting for a moment that belief in God is immature, only that beliefs change due to external agents. This would be the same as belief that my father was my father.
I believed he was at five. The difference is that, much as I wished it were different when I was a teenager (we've reconciled...lol), I had no cause to believe my father wasn't my father. I could have been completely wrong, of course...but there was no external agent causing cognitive dissonance that needed to be resolved.

So if I were a theist or...I dunno...let's say 'non-atheist'...then i believe the nature of that theism would be different from the nature of the theism I accepted when I was five. The dissonance and external agents could have been reconciled in a different manner. For the sake of argument, I could have become a deist, or panentheist, or pantheist, or...lot's of things. But some specific beliefs around God were unsustainable in my opinion, and based on my life and manner of thinking.

TLDR : I don't need proof that my dad is my dad. I wouldn't ignore proof he wasn't.

 

[stvdv]

For example: If a magician need NOT to bother showing magic to his own kids, in order to prove himself as their "Father" ? Then why should God bother showing miracles in order to prove himself as "Creator" ?

Why should God bother showing miracles ?

IMO: It is not that "God should bother", but out of His boundless compassion He Grants us His visiting cards for us to be grateful, happy, blissful.

 

[A Vestigial Mote]

For example: If a magician need NOT to bother showing magic to his own kids, in order to prove himself as their "Father" ? Then why should God bother showing miracles in order to prove himself as "Creator" ?


Kindly note: please do refrain posting in this thread if you don't expect miracles, thank you.

You've got it all wrong in your analogy.

A FATHER does not need to perform magic tricks in order to prove himself to be a FATHER. However... a MAGICIAN had sure better be willing to consistently perform magic tricks in order to prove himself to be a MAGICIAN.

 

[FearGod]

I survived stage 4 cancer, the doctors thought I was a goner, is that a miracle from god or a miracle of science?

Great that you survived, what type of cancer that you got?

 

[alsome]

In my way of not really thinking, life itself is the only thing given by life itself.

 

[chinu]

You've got it all wrong in your analogy.

A FATHER does not need to perform magic tricks in order to prove himself to be a FATHER. However... a MAGICIAN had sure better be willing to consistently perform magic tricks in order to prove himself to be a MAGICIAN.

So, why should a father(Creator) bother to be a magician ?

Accepting "God" as creator/father is a way too far more bigger rank than a magician.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

For example: If a magician need NOT to bother showing magic to his own kids, in order to prove himself as their "Father" ? Then why should God bother showing miracles in order to prove himself as "Creator" ?


Kindly note: please do refrain posting in this thread if you don't expect miracles, thank you.

The comparison with the magician makes absolutely zero sense.

As his kid, I'ld know he is my father whether he does magic tricks or not. I'ld accept him as my father by him being present and acting like a father.
And even if I didn't accept him as my father, at least he'ld demonstrably exist.

 

[chinu]

I'ld accept him as my father by him being present and acting like a father.
And even if I didn't accept him as my father, at least he'ld demonstrably exist.

He's NOT only your father, He's the father to all creatures, including some invisible creatures that you don't see with your physical eyes.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

He's NOT only your father, He's the father to all creatures, including some invisible creatures that you don't see with your physical eyes.

Claims, claims, claims.