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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by SinSaber, Nov 2, 2017.

  1. SinSaber

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    i keep hearing the argument that what a person does with another shouldn’t effect me and neither should their views.

    I accept this.

    But, why is it that you get upset about my views about certain things. I don’t try to impose my will, or vote for those who do. I simply state my belief and try to live in society?

    Do you have a patent on the “it doesn’t effect you” argument?
     
  2. Nakosis

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    If enough folks think like you then the end result is that society will impose these views.

    So if you feel strongly against the morality of some view you might want to argue against to to limit any consensus for it.

    "the argument that what a person does with another shouldn’t effect me and neither should their views." - It's a moral view, an argument.

    People argue for this because it's a view they think you should have I suspect mostly regarding a specific circumstance.

    Probably isn't really meant as a general rule.
     
  3. YmirGF

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    I think the "offended" card is one that is played far too often and over too little. I'm not even sure the last time I was genuinely offended by something.
     
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    It's only human and very normal that somethings will offend certain people. Myself, even though I'm not Muslim or Middle Eastern, the way some people talk about them makes even myself uncomfortable. However, the problem arises when rather than having civilized discourse as to why would shouldn't call them certain things, and why it does no good to focus on them having part-time minimum wage jobs (especially when there are plenty more places still offering those sorts of jobs), it goes to shaming people for their errors, degrading them in similar manners, and turning into the monster that offended them. It's especially problematic to take it upon yourself to get offended for a group when this group themselves aren't really getting offended (such as, implying Middle Easterns wear diapers on their heads versus thinking white girls dressing up as Maona is offensive of Polynesians - one is clearly offensive while the other is just having too much time on your hands)
     
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  5. The Seeker.

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    Every thing in life effects you some way or the other
     
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  6. SinSaber

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    But I don’t want to impose them
     
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    I suppose it depends on the context of whatever issues or views are being discussed, although I've always thought that people should try to keep their cool and eschew emotionalism in discussions and debates. There's no real reason for it, especially over the internet.

    It also seems to be a pointless waste of time and energy. As an example, the recent Las Vegas shootings prompted a certain level of debate over those seen as "politicizing" the incident. Some people were offended by that and became angry at those they perceived to be the source of their offense. To me, the real offender was the ******* who shot all those people, yet there were people becoming angry at others who didn't shoot anybody but were just talking about it.
     
  8. Father Heathen

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    People have a right to their beliefs and opinions (no matter how irrational or repugnant), and to openly speak them. People can be offended, but that doesn't warrant censorship. Now if people act upon such beliefs and opinions in a way that breaks the law, victimizes or violates the rights of others, etc. then people should step in.

    counter words with words, and actions with actions.
     
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    In today's societh everyone feels like a victim. They feel offended by things that do not even affct them. A statue has been in a park for 100 years but now they are offended by it. A school is named after someone who lived long ago but now they are offended. No one is guaranteed the right to not be offended.
     
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    What a person does is a projection of his/her own reality. One is only offended if one chooses to accept the conditions of the projector's reality.

    In other words, if you speak or act, and I become offended by that speech or action, it is because I chose to invite your reality to become a part of mine. What I choose to accept as my reality is on me, not you.
     
  11. Father Heathen

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    In those cases, it's not a matter of people merely being offended, but that money is coming out of their pockets as tax payers to pay for the upkeep of such memorials. It's a matter of the government, which is supposed to represent all citizens, commemorating something divisive and unworthy of commemoration to begin with.
     
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  12. Nakosis

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    Then why state your belief?
     
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    Humans get upset when they are set. It just happens - humans have to be set in all sorts of things in order to survive and navigate the world around themselves. Not really a big deal, most of the time. But I'm not really clear on what the opening post is talking about. It's pretty vague and general...
     
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  14. SabahTheLoner

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    I think offensiveness and disagreement are two different things. You can agree with something that’s offensive just as you can accept something you don’t agree with. You probably don’t agree with your friends on religion, but a disagreement can be reconciled, where as if you offensively advertise your religion, you’re far more likely to be rejected. Most people seem to think they can reject one’s reality and create their own. (Sound familiar?) It doesn’t change the fact another reality exists. So it seems to me that 90% of the time, many people are offended by someone disagreeing with them.
     
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  15. SinSaber

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    By that logic everyone in the world should take a vow of silence. If someone asked me their opinion, I’ll say it. And, since I don’t force my view through action, I expect the respect I give others with whom I might disagree with.
     
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    I think you're allowing the "you" and the "I", here, to be way too vague.
     
  17. SinSaber

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    How?
     
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    Some folks don't mind imposing their beliefs on others. So no reason for them to take a vow of silence.

    Expressing your opinion is forcing others to have to react to it. Even if that reaction is choosing to ignore it.

    For example you could be a racist. Express your opinions about folks with lighter or darker skin color than yourself. Even without taking any overt actions to impose your ideas about race, whichever "race" your opinion disparages is going to take offense.
     
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    Then do I have the right to be offended, or am I different because I’m not “progressive”
     
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    To me if it has to do with equality within humans then I get upset because yes I know sometimes they mistreat them but is it really fair to complain about black lives matter if let's say instances such as the brown anole being "invasive" while the natives green anoles which can turn brown although a lighter shade of it. Another thing related to that would be the "canadian" wolf stuff I hear about. Humans wiped out all the native wolves so they reintroduced canadian ones which wolves have no idea what country they're in anyways so what does it matter? They're wolves but hunters really want more deer and enjoy needlessly killing. Using live lizards as bait is unexcusable and so is all forms of live bait of land living creatures. I push my views because it's of peace
     
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