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Featured Why is it so important for you to claim your belief is the only true belief?

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Conscious thoughts, May 3, 2021.

  1. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    think....7billion copies of a learning device
    and NO one survives the last breath......??????

    not one chance in billions.......???????

    if not
    then Man is a complete mystery on this planet....with no resolve
    no purpose
    extinction pending
     
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  2. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    I know of one such fellow

    and he said......better to rule in hell
    than to serve in heaven
     
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  3. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    just for fun....I went back to take a peek
    and did you go back......
    to make that choice

    Spirit first?
    or substance
     
  4. Vinayaka

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    Here's more to ponder... Some folks make claims that they don't, but when you read between the lines, they really do. How do you go about figuring that out? Personally, I'd rather have someone come right out and claim it directly than beat around the bush suggesting it, or using passive aggression persuasion tactics, while being fake polite, saying they're not. I prefer direct over sneaky.
     
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  5. Conscious thoughts

    Conscious thoughts Veteran Member

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    I can not speak for others. But i do my best to not say that my belief is the only correct, or that the path i am on is the only correct, and anyone else is fake or false.
    I dont even know enough about the religious path i am on my self to tell other Sufis about their wrongs and right. I doing my best to become more and more aware of my own faults, instead of telling others what they do or believe wrong
     
  6. Jacques de Molay

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    "Unfortunate" how?

    If religion is not focused on God, it is not a religion. It is merely a belief.

    I have no idea what you are referring to in terms of "Teressa" and "aspirin." care to elaborate?
     
  7. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    keep your helmet on

    that coin is about to thrown right back at you
     
  8. Jacques de Molay

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    No.

    If one believes that God is the Supreme Being, the Creator and King of the universe, and offers spiritual salvation after death, then who would NOT want a "pathway" to that?

    The selfish person is the one who does NOT share that information.

    Christianity, and Judaism (i.e., "God") are not about forcing anyone to believe. A cursory read of the Bible proves repeatedly that humans have free will to follow or ignore God...And each choice has inherent consequences.

    What I, you, or "everyone else" wants is not really relevant, here. The truth is not malleable.
     
  9. Jacques de Molay

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    Says who?

    Again...You're placing your need to "know yourself" first. What, in fact, does that even mean?

    We aren't Vulcans. This isn't Star Trek. There's no such thing as "ending the ego." The ego's desires can be easily transferred to "knowing one's self."
     
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  10. BilliardsBall

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    Why is it important to insist that 50 + 50 = 100? So that things work effectively.

    The Bible says Jesus is the true path to eternal life. Other paths--even religious paths--can lead to ruin.

    WORK EFFECTIVELY for eternal life per the Bible, IMHO.
     
  11. Thief

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    but soon will be

    dead men don't read books.....nor do they write
    dead men don't preach.....nor do they listen

    in the next life.....
    my mind to your mind
    my thoughts to your thoughts

    God and heaven can see how you think and feel

    they know your dreams
     
  12. Conscious thoughts

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    I speak only out of my understanding in the Sufi teaching.
    Belief or faith in it self is not enough to enter paradise (through sufism) So to understand one self and understand what form of attachments we as practitioners has to this world, help understand what God/Allah want us to do.
    I do not ask you to believe the same as I do, If you are happy as a christian, nothing is better than that
     
  13. Jacques de Molay

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    This makes no sense whatsoever...
     
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    Both God and/or Allah already told us EXACTLY what they want.

    So where's the mystery?
     
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    Are you writing lyrics for metal music?
     
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    Within our own true being, that is how i see it. But it might be other answers to it too that i do not know of yet
     
  17. A Vestigial Mote

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    Sure, sure. I get it.

    I specifically remember asking for a definition for "spirit" and some parameters under which I would be willing to accept the concept. I never remember seeing such a definition or justification however. Isn't that interesting? Or perhaps a better word would be typical. Isn't that typical?
     
  18. A Vestigial Mote

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    Yes. (we could do this all day if you like)

    I don't believe that in the slightest... so what justification would you have for trying to share your ideas with someone like me? please do remember your words:
    The "one" you were talking about was yourself, am I correct in that assessment? As in you are the one who "strongly believes" this stuff. Not necessarily the "others" you are trying to share it with. Do you see?

    No. (hahahahahahahaha!)

    You're right - Christianity is more about bothering people enough such that belief is simply just "easier" for some of them in order not to be harassed.

    And with this you are simply assuming that what you believe in this vein of thought is "the truth" - even though you can provide no greater or better evidence than any other who believes something just as fantastical based on what their parents and others have told them, the scriptures that exist for their religion, personal experiences that they have that they took to be confirmations, etc. That right there is the ultimate hubris. If this mentality of yours isn't selfish, I don't know what is.
     
  19. Vinayaka

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    I wasn't suggesting you do that. But there are some who do. In my case, it's really easy, as I actually believe some paths are more suited to some folks, and vice versa, just as some occupations are made for certain people.
     
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  20. Jacques de Molay

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    Do you believe in right, and wrong?

    It's not a trick question, I assure you.
     
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