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Featured Why is it so important for you to claim your belief is the only true belief?

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Conscious thoughts, May 3, 2021.

  1. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    no....

    faith by definition .....requires no proving

    and the nonbelievers go on.....and on......and on

    prove it .....prove it.....prove it

    and all these years I have been here ....I have posted soooooooooo many times

    there will not be a photo, a fingerprint, an equation or a repeatable experiment

    all you CAN do is think about it
     
  2. A Vestigial Mote

    A Vestigial Mote Well-Known Member

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    I have thought about it... and any and all religious/spiritual/supernatural ideas of "faith" always come up entirely lacking. I don't see the utility in them, and others have failed time and time again to explain it to me sufficiently, therefore I have made the choice to discard and ignore it all. There is no detriment to be had to my life for making this choice that I have found, and all promises that there are such detriments have absolutely zero backing or evidential support. Also entirely lacking in evidence are anyone's claims that there is another world after this one within which it is going to matter what I believed in this life. There are no consequences to not believing. None. Nada. Anyone who claims that there are is just saying some words. Words that may as well be random gibberish for how compelling they are.
     
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  3. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    well....not believing in life after death

    you have decided not to continue living after death

    death then ....IS....the consequence
     
  4. A Vestigial Mote

    A Vestigial Mote Well-Known Member

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    One I am decidedly fine with. Others, I can tell, are not fine with it - but their discomfort with ideas of death doesn't make any of the alternatives they propose "the truth." You seem to think that it does - and that's just strange.
     
  5. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    not at all.....

    let science take you back to the beginning
    then choose
    as science cannot do so for you

    Spirit first?
    or substance
     
  6. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest I have the kavorka
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    My non-true beliefs are just one set
    among the many other non-true beliefs.
     
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  7. A Vestigial Mote

    A Vestigial Mote Well-Known Member

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    What you have asked of me is pointless. I understand that you think it is somehow profound and interesting. I find it trite, stereotypical and without basis in reality. First define "spirit" for me in terms that force me to accept its existence or necessity. If you can't do this, understand that it is a failure on your part... not mine.
     
  8. Thief

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    as I pointed out ......

    you can't take a step.....without proof
     
  9. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    That is what we think about it. It has no proof. So, it is man-made fiction.
    No proof of the promise of eternal life. Death then .. IS .. the consequence for me as well as for you. Forget Alibaba stories.

    Spirits:
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  10. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    until....science leads you back to the beginning

    go for it
     
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    Ironically, religions that claim to be focused on "taking away our ego and selfishness" are, in fact, very egotistical and selfish because they are completely self-focused.

    In contrast, neither Christianity nor Islam nor Judaism are "self-focused." They are focused on God, and on doing what we can in this life to serve others through Him.

    If one strongly believes that their Faith is THE pathway to God, then of course they want to share that with others. Why wouldn't they?
     
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  12. Conscious thoughts

    Conscious thoughts Veteran Member

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    To know God one must first know one self, only then it is possible to end the ego, because then one know what should not be there. And god will be seen in a clear way when ego has been lifted.
     
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  13. A Vestigial Mote

    A Vestigial Mote Well-Known Member

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    And what step is one you feel I need to take? I take all sorts of steps in all sorts of directions. And yes, more often than not, evidence of there being some benefit to heading in a particular direction ends up being what drives me. But then there's also the idea of taking steps in even a random direction in order to go looking for "proof" of something. So excuse me if I find your words a little too cryptic, vague and without much substance (yet again).

    It is very, very likely I am just not, at all, understanding what you are getting at here. You write in a very strange manner. Sometimes incomprehensible. You could be far more "straight to the point." That you aren't makes me think you're trying to hide behind the language, because to state plainly what you are actually thinking might be too damning.
     
  14. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Yeah sure, we go where proof leads us.
     
  15. A Vestigial Mote

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    Who said everyone wants a "pathway to God?" Isn't is a bit selfish in itself to let your ideas of what you, personally want be what informs you of what everyone else wants?
     
  16. Thief

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    not sure if I can agree

    seems to me.....everyone that tried.....

    crucified
    burned at the stake
    stoned
    fed to lions
    beat to death
    exiled
    etc....etc.....etc....

    and on a personal level......
    the spirit of the man needs to be crushed
    before God can enter
     
  17. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    IMHO, it is unfortunate that they are focused on their Gods.
    As for their service, there is always a price for it. Teressa's help (Aspirin for the dying) was dependent on their acceptance of Christianity.
     
  18. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    without reading the rest.......no

    I don't feel for you
    I don't think for you

    good luck....as you are
     
  19. A Vestigial Mote

    A Vestigial Mote Well-Known Member

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    Haha... I'm "sure" you didn't read the rest.
     
  20. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Yeah, the spirit of man has to be crushed. Man should be nothing more than a slave. Times have changed, Thief. Many hate the idea of being slaves.
     
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