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Featured Why is it so important for you to claim your belief is the only true belief?

Discussion in 'Religions Q&A' started by Conscious thoughts, May 3, 2021.

  1. Bree

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    i think we can learn a lot from our maker, but he has nothing to learn from us as we are not his teachers. And for that reason it should be he who sets the bar for us to reach.... religions set their own bar and claim their bar is the way to God.

    But I wonder what he would say about that?
     
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  2. Shakeel

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    Allah created you. There is nothing He doesn't know about His creation.

    “Unquestionably, to Allah belongs whatever is in the heavens and earth. Already He knows that upon which you [stand] and [knows] the Day when they will be returned to Him and He will inform them of what they have done. And Allah is Knowing of all things.” Quran (Surah Nur, 64)
     
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    no One in charge?.....no Hiearchy?
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    if so....then Man is a complete mystery on this earth
    and no resolve
    no purpose
    extinction pending
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    If supposedly so, then why didn't God immediately send any of His teachers throughout the entire world and then wait only until the last 2000 years to do it?
     
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    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    Prime Directive
     
  7. Marcion

    Marcion advaita'dvait'advaitic panentheistic neo-humanist

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    It is the people who created those religions who 'create the bar and claim to have found the way to God'.
    Looking at Christianity though, there were many different people who expressed their ideas and built parts of the religion.
    So who can say that God would agree with all of them, can you?
    If so, then how can you be sure or please explain why He would.
     
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    If you believe that a man can create a religion, then you must also believe that God can create his own religion.

    The religion created by our creator, Jehovah was first penned by Moses and the prophets of ancient isreal and in the first century of our common era it was completed with the apostles of Jesus Christ. All of these were inspired by God to lay down Gods thoughts on matters. But what people tend to do is follow their own views and advice and this is seen in all religions of the world.

    In Jesus day, the religious leaders of the Jews had added to the hebrew scriptures many man-made traditions that they claimed were indispensable to the worship of God. Jesus did not agree and there is an account where he says

    ‘Why is it you also overstep the commandment of God because of your tradition? For example, God said, “Honor your father and your mother”; and, “Let him that reviles father or mother end up in death.” But you say, “Whoever says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever I have by which you might get benefit from me is a gift dedicated to God,’ he must not honor his father at all.” And so you have made the word of God invalid because of your tradition.’”—Matt. 15:1-6


    There are many traditions in modern day christianity that are out of harmony with Gods Word the bible. But to determine who is right and who is wrong, you first need to have a pretty good grasp of the Bible and understand what Gods law actually is.
     
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    Why doesn't a judge immediately hand down a sentence in a court of law? All the evidence must first be brought in and in some cases it can take years for a court to finally hand down a verdict.

    It is the same with God. He has allowed time for things to unfold.

    He does things at the appropriate time according to his timetable. In our day he has sent teachers out into the entire earth as foretold:
    Matthew 24:14 And this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations,+ and then the end will come.

    We are living in the time of the end, most prophecies are fulfilled and there are only a small number of them we are waiting to see. How appropriate that people take the opportunity now to seek God and find him.
     
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    Marcion advaita'dvait'advaitic panentheistic neo-humanist

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    Do you believe that God Himself held the hand of each author that contributed to the Christian Bible collection or directed all of their minds in a miraculously perfect way? If so you are indeed a very religious person.
     
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    Yes i do believe that! The bible writers themselves describe how they wrote the scriptures

    "The spirit of Jehovah it was that spoke by me, and his word was upon my tongue.” 2 Sam. 23:1, 2

    "No prophecy of Scripture springs from any private interpretation. For prophecy was at no time brought by man’s will, but men spoke from God as they were borne along by holy spirit.2 Pet. 1:20, 21

    God . . . spoke on many occasions and in many ways to our forefathers by means of the prophets.” Hebrews 1:1

    We can trust the scriptures because they prove to be God Word, they are truthful, they are honest and they do not tell us what we want to hear. They tell us what we need to hear.
     
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    That doesn't relate to what I asked, so please reread what you've responded to with the above.

    If God really cares about everyone, why would He virtually ignore the vast majority of people throughout history since Jesus only appeared 2000 years ago in one little area of the world?

    My position is that I think that even the earlies humans must have had some guidance, and I tend to think this "guidance" is what Love and Truth are about.
     
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    There were plenty of messengers before Jesus or Moses. According to Islam Adam, too, was a prophet.
     
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    And some, such as Spinoza, Einstein, and numerous others, tend to believe that one can perceive God through "Nature", which was Spinoza's alternative name for God. Thus, even if one never heard of God, they might perceive that there's a "Something", which is why this might explain why every society that we are aware of has a large segment of their society that believes in God(s).
     
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    Yes, of course. And man has been created so that he worships something. If he doesn't worship God, he will worship something else.

    Nevertheless, the Qur'an says at 16:36 "And We certainly sent into every nation a messenger, [saying], "Worship Allah and avoid Taghut." And among them were those whom Allah guided, and among them were those upon whom error was [deservedly] decreed. So proceed through the earth and observe how was the end of the deniers."

    So we believe that every nation was sent a messenger.
     
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    Could it be possible for someone to say, 'this teaching is true because it comes from God' without adding the second part about other teachings being evil?
     
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    Yes that is possible, but in my understanding the statement is made personally and does not reflect every persons understanding of what is a true teaching to them.
     
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    If someone is trying to proselytize, then it's easier to act as if there isn't a choice in the matter. Heaven or hell, turn or burn, etc.
    Yes, it should take away ego, but sometimes it increases ego. Usually when it's done wrong.
     
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    When someone says, "Mars is the fourth planet from the Sun", could that person mean that the statement is true not just for himself but is objectively true?
     
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    Yes
     
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