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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Cooky, Dec 8, 2020.

  1. syo

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    Believe what???
     
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    Just the idea of believing, rather than evidence based thinking or rembering. I'm just drawing from religions, since they seem to be the most ancient evidence we have of people "believing" in stuff...

    ...I'm pretty sure other animals don't have "beliefs", so I'm wondering where it came from.
     
  3. Vinayaka

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    In my faith, the theory goes that some person sat down somewhere, took deeper breaths, or saw 'things' in his/her mind that didn't jive with what he saw with his/her eyes. This is partly why Sanatana Dharma is viewed as eternal ... the idea that it could, or will be recreated, because it's something within man.

    There is some anthropology conjecture on the origin of music, usually beginning with beating two sticks together in a rhythmic pattern.
     
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    If life existence continuance for self was based on you believing in God, then your question about why it is important to believe is that status.

    For first words and descriptions and analogies are just a human choice for and because of human aware living conditions. What motivated those choices first.

    Which is not a belief, motivation owns a cause and effect.

    So if you teach as humans do O God is the stone philosophy for my belief in science is that the energy mass planet that I stand on, came from the eternal origins, and it owned no beginning and no end...but I could abstract energy from it and still be manifest after, is a science belief. Yet its status relates to being informed.

    Now if you made something disappear as it was burnt up, seeing advice is that energy was self consuming, that also is not any belief. It is witnessed and seen, the disappearance function.

    So then you would believe that God the planet needed to be present, to support your owned life, for if it disappeared you would not have anywhere to live. That is also not any belief. But by circumstance, the fear of owning and living through a God O planetary attack on life, would surely make you believe in God being present in our lives.
     
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    The difference between Christianity and all other religions, including Islam, is that one relies on God for perfection, not religiosity, good deeds, philanthropy or self-improvement.

    Since neither any given religion nor atheism can perfect someone morally, and since God is perfect, Christianity is also the most logical faith--trust GOD for perfection in the future, trust Jesus today for perfection when you meet Jesus (says the Bible).
     
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  6. syo

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    I see. Well, in paganism there is no believing.
     
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    Maybe it originates in the parent child relationship. A child often idolizes their parents when they are very young.
     
  8. rational experiences

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    If human science says, O believe in the self presence, origin. Then you talk planet, planet mass and natural evolution of that planet in space.

    Yet as the spruiker talking you do not own that natural history of mass formation in spatial history. Yet the storyteller as a quoted conscious self belief I am highest, as I am conscious, then lied to self as a scientist/man and male.

    For he owns a document that stated no MAN is God.

    Yet still today you argue about it.

    O God is the philosophy theisms of the stone....the origin of the state of SIN O itself, a once burning mass in the state O womb of space burning. Quoted in science to be HELL he says...as the He doing all the talking.

    So there is no belief about O a planet existing, for belief means, involves in other conditions to coerce by word usage.

    The planet did exist and males in science named it God O. So you do not need to believe.

    Science is historic to being the con artist, why you got given a human title in science as a Satanist. Those who perform alchemical magic in the sciences, to convert and then claim magic self purpose...to make objects disappear.

    What magic is defined as.

    So you surely made God the stone mass disappear into sink holes.

    As a human who studied the theist con artist mind concepts, as a spiritual human healer concept, I learnt that you quote....but as God O the planet is a natural body and owned sink holes first, when I caused it to get sink holes it was not my fault.

    I was only copying is his claim to being innocent and God O he states, the natural past is guilty itself.

    How he expresses his coercive science human argument.

    Believe. I believe he is wrong. Then became I know he is wrong when his machines caused natural to change and I got life attacked and harmed bodily and physically. 2 variations.

    Science first itself believes by self motivation of want.
    Science never owned natural history.
    Science then taught that belief is wrong. Yet science invented believe in God their own selves when they made it disappear.

    Why today I shake my head at my human brothers inanity.
     
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    That sounds quite backwards to me.
    It seems to me that it should be exactly the other way round....

    One has to learn before one can believe.

    As "learning" is the practice of knowledge gathering.
    And knowledge provides basis for belief.

    I didn't "learn" about evolution because I believed it...
    Instead, I believe it because I learned about it. Belief was the result of learning.
     
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    Not exactly sure what you mean by that.

    Care to elaborate?
     
  11. bobhikes

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    Really and if you don't believe what you see, hear, feel can you learn. If you don't believe in your parents, teachers scientists can you learn. All you knowledge is in your mind can you prove it is not a simulation or do you just have to believe.
     
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    Yes. In fact, it makes me learn even better.
    This is why science is so good at figuring things out... because the scientist is skeptical about what he sees, hears, feels,... This is why he conducts experiments, designed to remove any and all bias as much as possible, to confirm those things that he thinks he "hears, feels, sees,..." . To make sure that what he thinks is happening, is actually happening, and not just his mind playing tricks on him.


    What do you mean by "believe in"? What does the "in" part mean / stand for?

    I don't know about you, but I don't blindly believe anybody. Sure, as a toddler / kid, you blindly believe whatever perceived authority you look upto. But as you grow up, you grow out of that.

    I didn't "blindly" believe my teachers in school just by virtue of them being the "teacher".
    For starters, my biology teacher had a phd in biology. That, in and of itself, already kind of removes the "blindly" part, since it gave him credentials / qualifications / expertise. Next to that, what a teacher says in class, is not beyond questioning. Nothing stops you from coming home and doing further research on your own to double check his statements.

    Teachers don't demand "blind belief". In fact, I would even argue that a good teacher would do the exact opposite. Only insecure bad salesmen require "blind belief".

    It is my opinion that he who demands "blind belief", has something to hide.

    :rolleyes:

    No, I cannot "prove" that I don't live in the matrix. Neither do I have to "believe" that I don't, because it is a waste of time to ponder negative claims like that.

    Positive claims require evidence. Negative claims are infinite in number.

    I can only keep into account the world that I actually experience. And the world that all of us collectively experience, seems consistent enough so that we can learn about it.

    As in: no matter your religious, cultural, geographic or etnical background... if you drop an object with mass in a vacuum, it will fall to earth at 9.81 meters per second per second. Ever. Single. Time.
     
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    So all you have to do is build a vacuum and drop a mass in it (is it really a vacuum then) accurately measure its rate of descent accurately and then repeat. No need to believe anything. I can guaranty without belief you could never do it and guaranty that even if you did the rate of descent would vary slightly.
     
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    A need to believe isn't part of my spiritual paradigm.
     
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    Saint Frankenstein On the funeral pyre of existence
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    That's just propaganda for your religion. And you're wrong about Islam.
     
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    After repeated and confirmed experiment, I believe that in a vacuum objects will fall at 9.81 meters per second per second.


    Believe what and do what?

    Watch the clip.
     
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    You created the clip and verified all its truth and I'm supposed to learn from it without any belief in the clip or you. If you believe that clip proves your statement then you believe a lot more than you think.
     
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    This makes no sense to me whatsoever.

    The clip is an illustration of an experiment from which one can learn that objects with mass fall to earth at 9.81 meters per second per second. One can repeat that experiment a bazillion times and it will yield the same results, unless the earth's mass changes which would change the gravitational pull which would in turn change the speed at which things fall towards it.

    One doesn't "believe" any of that before one learns about the gravitational force and how it relates to mass.

    Either you didn't comprehend the point being made, or you are not being clear.
     
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    Learning first quotes I never knew. Therefore first and origin in notification to self human consciousness quotes I do not know. Which then comes about to belief based on motivation of a want. Want therefore pre disposes a human to be motivated to have a condition that is not relative to the status of I want.

    Learning, to want when everything was already supplied and naturally balanced is how life got destroyed. To learn, the less of the son not yet agreed upon, still argued.

    Belief I am Jesus......proven wrong.
    Belief my brother was Jesus......sacrificed.
    Belief my use of words explain the reasoning.........answer to why life exists is just a belief.
    Belief Jesus will save me.......a belief for it is based on a one of event.
    Belief my brother was Jesus....sacrificed and he will save me.......one life then death.
    Belief......no my brother is a spirit, he will save me.
    Belief.......in science spirit is a gas body as a human teaching.

    Words, wanted for a human condition to describe what they believed they were experiencing is also coercive, why words and belief are not actual in reality.
     
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    My guess is you really don't understand the scientific method. Just seeing something isn"t scientific. If you see something and don"t verify it yourself its belief not science. Same for reading, hearing, feeling etc.
     
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