Why is homosexuality a sin

[athanasius]

Yes it is. The church can not substantiate their reasoning, giving their opinion on this topic very little weight. In the long run this type approach will just hurt the church.

UHHH NO its not about the church. The question on the OP no where said anything about the church. Stop trying to reword the question and make it say something it doesn't. Secondly, Considering that Jesus is the one who built the church,gave it the gift of the keys to the kingdom, power to bind and loose, and said it would not fail(Matt 16:13-19), and speaks through his Catholic church (Lk 10:16) I do not think this will really hurt the church at all. People may leave if they do not like the true teachings .But so what. Our church is the largest Christian church on earth 1:1 Billion members and rapidly growing with thousands faithful adult converts every year. To us the Church is speaks for God and God does not change his mind on truth.

 

[Jeremiah]

UHHH NO its not about the church. The question on the OP no where said anything about the church. Stop trying to reword the question and make it say something it doesn't. Secondly, Considering that Jesus is the one who built the church,gave it the gift of the keys to the kingdom, power to bind and loose, and said it would not fail(Matt 16:13-19), and speaks through his Catholic church (Lk 10:16) I do not think this will really hurt the church at all. People may leave if they do not like the true teachings .But so what. Our church is the largest Christian church on earth 1:1 Billion members and rapidly growing with thousands faithful adult converts every year. To us the Church is speaks for God and God does not change his mind on truth.

The OP just says "Why?" How can I reword that?

 

[Reverend Rick]

So now that we've established that female homosexuality is not sinful according to the Christian Bible or Jewish Tanakh, the question remains why rocka and people like him choose to treat it as though it were.

So, rocka, why is it important to you to act as if lesbianism were sinful when it's clearly not?

Or did you want to try to mount some kind of argument that it is?

Romans 1:24

Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.

Romans 1:26

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

Romans 1:27

In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and where inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and recieved in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Romans 1:24
Romans 1:26
Romans 1:27

I couldn't help noticing that you gave the three verses separately like they were three separate statements and not actually sentences within one paragraph on a single point.

Anyhow, the passages you cited describe lustful fornication, which is prohibited for heterosexuals as well; can you find a Biblical source that prohibits a loving lesbian relationship?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

I couldn't help noticing that you gave the three verses separately like they were three separate statements and not actually sentences within one paragraph on a single point.

Anyhow, the passages you cited describe lustful fornication, which is prohibited for heterosexuals as well; can you find a Biblical source that prohibits a loving lesbian relationship?

Yes....

Romans 1:26

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones.

The emphasis is not on love or lust, but on the action. Lust or love don't change whether an action is natural or not.

 

[Xbones]

Sojouner,
You are so right.. I did not mean to present that being gay and a pedophile was the same. My bad in that instance. At no time did I mean a gay person was also a pedophile. Far from it. sorry... Sorry. **** I did not mean to put the two together.... I have many gay friends, and I have a brother who was an alter boy for many years. Sorry for putting the two together.
http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/../members/sojourner-5010.html

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The emphasis is not on love or lust, but on the action. Lust or love don't change whether an action is natural or not.

I notice you assume "unnatural" means "homosexual". It's just as reasonable to take "unnatural" as literally unnatural: as people behaving not according to their natural sexual orientation.

Kind of puts all those religious-based programs to "cure" homosexuality in a different light, IMO.

 

[McBell]

I notice you assume "unnatural" means "homosexual". It's just as reasonable to take "unnatural" as literally unnatural: as people behaving not according to their natural sexual orientation.

Kind of puts all those religious-based programs to "cure" homosexuality in a different light, IMO.

My personal experience has been, when I point this out, that it has to due with the holy spirit revealing some secret 'over-knowledge' to them.

 

[rocka21]

I notice you assume "unnatural" means "homosexual". It's just as reasonable to take "unnatural" as literally unnatural: as people behaving not according to their natural sexual orientation.

Kind of puts all those religious-based programs to "cure" homosexuality in a different light, IMO.

do you REALLY think paul was talking about homo's turning straight?

i can see Paul, with his pink robe on, limp wrist, and hand on his hip, saying " all you lezbo's don't go after any man out there honey child! thats just wrong!" as his head rotates in a circle motion.:angel2:

come on now!

 

[Nanda]

do you REALLY think paul was talking about homo's turning straight?

i can see Paul, with his pink robe on, limp wrist, and hand on his hip, saying " all you lezbo's don't go after any man out there honey child! thats just wrong!" as his head rotates in a circle motion.:angel2:

come on now!

*Nanda vomits copiously*

 

[logician]

Why would what someone consensually does in their bedroom be a sin?

 

[rocka21]

*Nanda vomits copiously*

as you should, to even sugest that paul or any christian in those days did not denounce homosexuallity.

but thats the arguement, Paul was telling Homosexuals not to go straight because its unnatural.

all thou the pink robe example was probably in bad taste.

 

[rocka21]

Why would what someone consensually does in their bedroom be a sin?

if i consensually eat 5 gallons of ice cream at night in my bedroom. Sin or No?

 

[logician]

if i consensually eat 5 gallons of ice cream at night in my bedroom. Sin or No?

Sorry, I don't believe in the concept of sin as put forth by religion, a "sin" in one culture is not a "sin" in another, i.e. it has a vague definition.

 

[Nanda]

all thou the pink robe example was probably in bad taste.

Probably. Maybe next time, instead of vomiting (which is slightly more ambiguous, I'll admit) I'll just put on some blackface and do the best Al Jolson impression I can muster under the circumstances. Maybe that'll get my point across more clearly.

 

[rocka21]

Probably. Maybe next time, instead of vomiting (which is slightly more ambiguous, I'll admit) I'll just put on some blackface and do the best Al Jolson impression I can muster under the circumstances. Maybe that'll get my point across more clearly.

nope, sorry.

Pink robe, limp wrist, hand on hip, swaying head in a circle. ------ your choice.

Black, the color of your face. -------- not your choice.

try again.

 

[Storm]

Being a bigot... your choice.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

do you REALLY think paul was talking about homo's turning straight?

If you can convince yourself of one particular meaning, it's from some extra-biblical inference and not from the actual text. "Natural" can mean a lot of things.

I know he wasn't a fan of "pleasures of the flesh", though, so people engaging in sexual activities that for them would not be associated with love might be something that would reasonably think might bother him.

i can see Paul, with his pink robe on, limp wrist, and hand on his hip, saying " all you lezbo's don't go after any man out there honey child! thats just wrong!" as his head rotates in a circle motion.:angel2:

come on now!

Wow... what an offensive caricature.

You have to admit, though: the general impression one gets from his Epistles is that he wasn't too fond of the ladies.

 

[rocka21]

Being a bigot... your choice.

bigot-
one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance


what race?

what ethnicity?

did i ever say i hate someone? intolerance for who?

iam i the bigot, or are you?

 

[rocka21]

Wow... what an offensive caricature.

thats why i said it was in bad taste. if you bother to read.