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Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Zita, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. sooda

    sooda Well-Known Member

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    The story is a teaching narrative.
     
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    Yeah, it all is. But it’s way more than that!

    You think Job is fiction.

    But Job 38:16 has Jehovah asking Job: "Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses (trenches) of the deep?”

    These are scientific facts. How did the writer know they existed?
    Be careful, what you call “fiction”.

     
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    Poetic language.
     
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    Much of it is, you're right.
    But since when does poetry reveal facts that weren't even discovered until thousands of years later?
     
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    @Ellen Brown @Faithofchristian ,

    You mean fresh water springs in the sea? They have known about them for thousands of years. The ones I'm familiar with are in Bahrain and the East coast of Arabia.
    @Brickjectivity
    1. Bahrain Nature water springs on the sea bed, Unique Pearls ...
      www.thebahrain.com/bahrain_nature.aspx
      Bahrain is the home of million palm trees. Describing the nature of the land, the Sumerian epic “Enki and Ninhursag” tells that Enki, the lord of fresh water, blessed Dilmun with springs, and so it became the land of water, crops, infinite health and therefore the world’s harbor. Today, …

    2. Sweet Water Springs of Bahrain | ramesis
      Sweet Water Springs of Bahrain...
      Oct 05, 2015 · Sweet Water Springs of Bahrain. The springs that formed below the sea gave Bahrain its name – the land where two seas met.

    3. Even before Bahrain became renowned for its pearls, its sweet water springs drew trading ships that plied the Arabian Gulf. The first settlements on this island arose as watering ports for passing ships more than four millennia ago.
     
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    Seems to me "we are told NOT to judge"
    If you are eager to judge, it's best to judge your own actions
    And these verses clearly show NOT to judge others

    Probably there is also a verse "to judge righteously"

    Major point is this:
    do not "judge others" means do not condemn them (as in going to hell ... that I call "Black Magic" ... what more can I say)
    do "judge righteously" means to use your discrimination and common sense

    When "judge not" is linked with "hell" and/or "sin" easily "ad hominem attack" is made (against RF rule 8)
    When "judge not" is just applied to one's own actions nobody will have a problem with one's fanaticism
     
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    What do you mean by educated?
    Therefore, according to you, all the prophets, Jesus, and his apostles, and... all the Jews living today, who keep these - Three Pilgrimage Festivals, are all uneducated.

    So who are these educated Jews? Are those the ones who think they know so much, they treat the holy writings with disdain, and decide whatever they please to discredit it? Are you one of those... scholars?
    If so, that might explain
    your position against the Bible.

    By the way, how does adding the above claim have any bearing, or relevance to what I said?
    Why do you even bother to mention the Bible, when you deny it entirely, if it isn't for the sake of mockery?
    Your profile has "Christian", while your posts scream "Unbeliever".
    Sounds like a plan. ;)
     
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    You apparently think someone can't be a Christian unless they are fundamentalists or Christian Zionists.

    Do you understand "didactic" literature?

    figures of comparison
    Simile

    A simile involves an explicit comparison of two unlike things using the words “as” or “like.”

    “So the daughter of Zion is left as a booth in a vineyard, as a hut in a garden of cucumbers, as a besieged city” (Isa. 1:8).

    “All we like sheep have gone astray” (Isa. 53:6).

    “For He is like a refiner’s fire and like fullers’ soap” (Mal. 3:2).

    “For as the lightning comes from the east and flashes to the west, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be” (Matt. 24:27).

    “Behold, I send you out as lambs among wolves” (Luke 10:3). Also see Isaiah 29:8; 55:10-11; Jeremiah 23:29; Matthew 23:37; 1 Corinthians 13:11; 1 Thessalonians 5:2.

    Metaphor
    A metaphor involves a direct or implied comparison of two unlike things.

    “The Lord is my rock, my fortress and my deliverer” (2 Sam. 22:3).
     
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    I understand all of that. Yes. I am educated.I know what fiction is.
    You still have called all whom I mentioned - including million of Jews, uneducated, because all of them referred to Moses and the exodus from slavery, not as a fiction, but as real events. In fact, no real person uses fiction to refer to their genealogy - something done by many Bible Characters after Moses.
    So regardless,, you cannot refer to accounts mentioned by real people as myth, and fiction without referring to those characters as fiction, when those accounts are related by them, not as fiction, but fact.
     
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    Not anymore.. They have come to know Exodus is a foundation myth.
     
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    They? The Jewish scholars, I assume, because you are not saying who the "educated" "they" are.
    They don't know nothing. Unless.... you can show me the evidence that one can know what "they" the "educated" know.
    What is your evidence?
     
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    It's not my place to tell people they are going to Hell or condemn them as people. However, to judge? I think I am using the term in a modern way, actually. Now that I think of it, I'm certain I am. For me, judging is too assess a person and decide my position on their acts. Do I wish to be their friend? Do I agree with their activities? Do I need to speak against their activities? Things like those. In Biblical usage, isn't judging is to declare someone as a particular thing and pursue a sentence? For example, having someone who murdered your friend put to death? Having a prostitute publicly caned for her actions? Having a thief's hand cut off for stealing from you? What if you had wished others dead? What if you had an affair? What if you stole? Should you condemn these people then?
     
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    I already explained that to you hours and hours ago. In Bahrain and Eastern Saudi Arabia sweetwater springs in the ocean have been known for 4,000 years.

    Most of their stories they borrowed from Egypt, Sumer and Ugarit.
     
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    @Ellen Brown[/USER] @Faithofchristian ,

    You mean fresh water springs in the sea? They have known about them for thousands of years. The ones I'm familiar with are in Bahrain and the East coast of Arabia.
    @Brickjectivity
    1. Bahrain Nature water springs on the sea bed, Unique Pearls ...
      www.thebahrain.com/bahrain_nature.aspx
      Bahrain is the home of million palm trees. Describing the nature of the land, the Sumerian epic “Enki and Ninhursag” tells that Enki, the lord of fresh water, blessed Dilmun with springs, and so it became the land of water, crops, infinite health and therefore the world’s harbor. Today, …

    2. Sweet Water Springs of Bahrain | ramesis
      Sweet Water Springs of Bahrain...
      Oct 05, 2015 · Sweet Water Springs of Bahrain. The springs that formed below the sea gave Bahrain its name – the land where two seas met.

    3. Even before Bahrain became renowned for its pearls, its sweet water springs drew trading ships that plied the Arabian Gulf. The first settlements on this island arose as watering ports for passing ships more than four millennia ago.

    The land of UZ was in Arabia so that is the setting for the story of Job.
     
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    Do a google search..
     
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    Ha ha ha ha.
     
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    I don't need the opinions of men. If you like them, because they suit you, that's fine by me. :)
    To me, you can't get more mythical than ideas coming from Atheistic thinkers.
     
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    Sources and parallels of the Exodus - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sources_and_parallels_of_the_Exodus
    The Exodus and history. The consensus of modern scholars is that the Bible does not give an accurate account of the origins of the Israelites.

    There is no indication that the Israelites ever lived in Ancient Egypt, and the Sinai Peninsula shows almost no sign of any occupation for the entire 2nd millennium BCE (even Kadesh-Barnea, where the Israelites are said to have spent 38 years, was ...
     
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    1. Was There an Exodus? » Mosaic
      https://mosaicmagazine.com/.../2015/03/was-there-an-exodus
      Mar 02, 2015 · In the past years, two major academic conferences have been devoted to the historicity of the exodus accounts, and their respective titles tell all. One, most of whose participants doubted that there was an exodus, was titled Out of Egypt: Israel’s Exodus between Text …

    2. Archaeologist Israel Finkelstein and his colleagues are ...
      prophetess.lstc.edu/~rklein/Documents/grounds.htm
      Prof. Israel Finkelstein sees no contradiction between holding a proper Pesach seder and telling the story of the exodus from Egypt, and the fact that, in his opinion, the exodus never occurred. ... It fell apart and beat a hasty retreat from the Land of Israel. By this time the kingdom of Israel no longer existed, so Josiah woke up one morning ...
     
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