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Featured Why is divination considered a sin to Christians?

Discussion in 'Interfaith Discussion' started by Zita, Apr 25, 2019.

  1. Zita

    Zita Solitary Eclectic Witch

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    One of the new age practices is through Divination, my definition of Divination is accessing Divine knowledge and/or Guidance,to increase your personal power and living a peaceful, happier,more fulfilled life,through using interpretive tools;like Tarot cards, the pendulum,numerology,astrology,Ouija board and meditation to name a few.Seems to me that it would be considered a positive thing,how can you say seeking the Divine is not a positive thing it's evil. I read tarot cards for myself and other people,I've tried to explain on several occasions that the cards aren't evil they are just objects, the person reading the cards would have to be the force that is evil and using for evil purposes.I have never so far had negative readings,the information has always helped or enlightened the person I'm reading for. The other tool I use on a regular basis is the pendulum,and once again it helped clear up and answered the person's questions.I've never had a problem!! and I always pray and ask for protection doing the readings from anything negative coming through! because yes there are negative spirits as well as positive,but as I said I have never had a problem or bad experience!! I am going to continue seeking the divine in the manner I am lead to, just like anyone else.
    Hopefully there is someone who knows the answer to my question.
     
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    This is not just limited to some Christians but I have come across a few that condemned these types of things yet described having visions. Religious magic is religious magic, I see no difference between some group of Wiccans or Pagans getting together and casting a spell for healing or what not and a group of people of any other faith collectively praying for health and healing of someone though their holy books may state otherwise.
     
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    It's trying to tap into powers not from God (and recommended to avoid by God so it's a lack of faith in trusting God)
     
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    Not to derail the thread but that is anti-Trumpeteers to the hilt.
     
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    No I am referring to visions and hallucinations. I have a friend and neighbor who is altogether a fine gentleman. He has schizophrenia and when he starts with auditory hallucinations, he admits himself to the hospital. I have known him for several years so I was surprised to learn he has this illness which is not noticeable to anyone.

    Its not all that uncommon .. Some people with Parkinson's also have hallucinations.

    I don't believe in magic, religious or otherwise but I know that people do have visions and hallucinations.

    Trump is quite stupid and mentally ill, but he has no redeeming qualities so I don't think he belongs in this discussion about so called "divine knowledge".
     
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  7. dingdao

    dingdao The eternal Tao cannot be told - Tao Te Ching

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    They are afraid of what they don't understand. Or what some authoritative leader has yet to tell them is OK. Do be careful of who you let into this IRL.
     
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  8. sooda

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    What is your question?
     
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    Ok, why do you feel it's trying to tap into powers not from God? and I'm wondering why you say it's a lack of faith! one more thing; how do you know God recommends to avoid it? Oh yea, I forgot!! is this coming from what "the bible" says? if so; you don't really know what God recommends! cause you're going on what you've read,not what you know for sure.If you have not been in the mist of someone doing Divination and the results it produced then you can't really say because you haven't never seen for yourself.
     
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    thanks for that, you're right.
     
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    The Bible is very clear on divination.. Its explained here in detail. I have always considered it parlor games.

    Divination in any form is sin. It is not harmless entertainment or an alternate source of wisdom.

    Christians should avoid any practice related to divination, including fortune-telling, astrology, witchcraft, tarot cards, necromancy, and spell-casting. The spirit world is real, but it is not innocent.

    What does the Bible say about divination? - gotquestions.org
    www.gotquestions.org/Bible-divination.html
     
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    I tend to believe in the supernormal over the supernatural meaning the power of the human mind over outside forces. I came to this conclusion after years of non-denominational, non-religious experiments.
     
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    Well first of all I am not a Christian,so that takes care of me not doing it, and like I post a minute ago this is coming from The Bible something you don't know is so!!and why would God not want you to reach for him,and to seek to enlightenment from higher powers?to assist you in your spiritual journey?Seems like to me the bible is trying to keep you from access to him on a more personal level.What are they scared of?
     
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    Some call that the black flame, I personally don't bother with naming it, it is what it is.
     
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    All gateways to hell, apparently. :D

    See you there, buddy. :D :D :D
     
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    One of the more common uses of divination is to place ones own self between people and a higher power. It can be a tactic to manipulate people, much like a fake diet program. On that basis its probably not got to do with anything personal but with putting oneself forward as a leader. Using statistics to manipulate people would probably count as divination I think.
     
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    In my opinion, one of the first things we need to do - if we want to combine our faith with logic and reason - is recognize that there are many contradictions in the Bible, and we really have no way of knowing whether it's all the "Word of God" all the word of Man (literally, just men 40+ of them!), or a combination of both. Instead of rising to the challenge of thinking for ourselves and keeping an open mind, we latch on to a given scripture\passage as if God told it to us personally - just now! - and totally disregard other passages that directly or indirectly contradict it...or suggest other interpretations.

    In this case, yes there are passages that deem divination as evil - e.g. Deuteronomy 18:10 "There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer". But in Genesis 41, Joseph Interprets Pharaoh's Dreams by supernatural means (otherwise how else could he have interpreted them), which is a form of divination. Furthermore, he was handsomely rewarded for this divination - by both man and God.

    In Matthew 2 the three wise men tell Herod that the King of the Jews would be born in Bethlehem: “In Bethlehem of Judea, for thus it is written by the prophet:" What is prophecy, but another form of divination, i.e. telling the future by supernatural means. In 2 Corinthian 12:10 prophecy is listed as one of the spiritual GIFTS!: to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. Maybe what you are doing, Zita, with the tarot cards, astrology and so forth is using YOUR spiritual gifts.

    I think that how we USE our spiritual gifts is infinitely more important that the labels we use to define them - especially when it's based on only considering SOME of what the Bible says on the matter.
     
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    There are many who consider themselves prophets and divine end times are near...
     
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    If you don't care, then why did you ask?

    I don't believe in fairies or leprechauns or mermaids either, but you are certainly welcome to your tarot cards, Ouija boards and crystal balls.
     
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    In mindsets that follow the duality of good/evil, what's good is defined as godly, and anything outside that person's concept of that is evil. But many people don't live in this good/evil mindset, and have no problem 'divining' anything, or any energy, as they believe nothing at all is intrinsically evil. People with that mindset run scared, afraid something evil is going to overtake them. I believe that it's fundamentally just fear of the unknown, like fear of darkness. Rather irrational but real to the individual all the same.

    Ritual, in Hinduism, beckons all kinds of stuff. Some energies are indeed more 'swirly' livelier, and others are peaceful. To the good/evil mindset, it's all evil.
     
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