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Why is a man's sexual sins the woman's responsibility?
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firedragon
Veteran Member
I know you were joking I was too
I like your sense of humor
Ah.
Then I should have just shut up and waited. Now my foot is in my mouth.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
I want to see thatAh.
that would have been hilarious
firedragon
Veteran Member
I want to see that
Lool. Imagining that cracked me up.
Is this about me using colorful words again? By children I mean adults with immaturity and self control issues, similar to children. Similarly to how children can’t control themselves during a movie or at a restaurant they don’t like so they squirm and make a scene, while more mature children can handle something they don’t like.
Yoga pants and leggings are great for barre and (obviously) yoga because of their flexibility; a lot of clothes like gym shorts aren’t made for it and will rip or bunch up into a painful cord of material.
I think the way I dress is fine, as I said only children have problems. I so happen to have posted a couple of pictures in Post Your Pic 2, one from when I was featured by the studio for 500 lessons done, one just goofing around with stretching, and one from working on the splits at the start of the year. It’s always functional over looking attractive (splits picture has some street clothes, so that’s an exception).
[GALLERY=media, 9595]famous! by Meow Mix posted Aug 31, 2021 at 10:17 PM[/GALLERY]
[GALLERY=media, 9599]flex by Meow Mix posted Sep 8, 2021 at 10:25 PM[/GALLERY]
[GALLERY=media, 9602]split! by Meow Mix posted Sep 14, 2021 at 1:42 AM[/GALLERY]
Shakeel
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I know you mean similar to children. I'm after, how is it similar to children? Someone brought it up earlier in the case of harassing women and said such men are immature. I was equally confused as I am now. Surely there is nothing in sexually harassing women that is similar to how children behave. If one simply means poor behaviour then the words childish and immature have lost their meaning and they are indeed used as mere power words.
But self control has nothing to do with what I was saying so you must have gotten that from somewhere else. My question was, why is it so unthinkable for you to wear baggy clothes?
Multiple reasons: the material breathes on yoga pants and leggings, for barre it’s important to see your own form to make sure you’re holding things correctly (hence the mirrors), you need to be able to stretch flexibly (I’ve mentioned already that baggy clothes with seams can bunch up into painful seams, and/or rip), they’re hotter and less wieldy, and it’s just a bunch that I prefer not to deal with.
Of course children don’t sexually harass, but being unable to restrain oneself or to focus on something that clearly has nothing to do with you like a person just going about their business is childlike. Adults learn what’s their business and what isn’t their business, children don’t know that yet.
firedragon
Veteran Member
Holy Moly. You do martial arts or something? Yoga? Ballet?
Barre and yoga. Barre does use a ballet bar ^.^
firedragon
Veteran Member
Never heard of Barre. But I am genuinely jealous. That does not mean Im gonna wear the same pants and go do barre, but I must get back into some fitness routine which has abandoned me since this stupid covid situation.
Kudos.
I got into barre a couple of years ago with varying amounts of dedication (that top picture is when I was featured just a couple of weeks ago on their site for finishing 500 classes ^.^, hence the famous caption). It has been great during covid because the studio is huge with multiple rooms and I could go at odd hours when not taking a class and have a room (and the soundsystem in that room) to myself.
Do it! Before barre and yoga, I was just running for heart and general health for a while. I'm in my 30's so I had thought doing actual routines was probably over (did a lot of that in my 20's). I'm so glad I changed my mind, I'm almost in as good of shape as I was in my 20's. Possibly more flexible, too. I used to have aches and pains from sleeping wrong and the like and I just don't pretty much anymore.
I'm sure you can find something that works for you, your body will thank you!
firedragon
Veteran Member
Honestly speaking MM, harassment in my opinion is rape with cowardice. This particular statement of mine is not based on research, so its just my opinion. A coward who is a rapist would engage in harassment. But there are these hooligans who do cat calling which I think is not in that same category, but is harassment. I am speaking about physical harassment.
But rapists are mental. They have a psychological dysfunction. That is proven by research. And they dont rape because someone is dressed this way or another. I would have to cut and paste some stuff if that makes any difference from some things I wrote some time ago.
In 1979, Dr. Nicholas Groth and H. Jean Birnbaum developed a profile of several types of assault, drawn from their work with people who had been arrested, convicted and incarcerated for crimes of sexual violence. It was called the offenders typology. The first one is the power rapist. These types of rapists don’t use excessive force but just enough to fulfill his desire of power. They feel they need to prove their macho man persona, or they could feel powerful only if they know that they have power over someone. This could be upon opportunity, like a date gone awry or it could be planned. Nevertheless, though in real life they may or may not have a don juan de marcos attitude, his low self-esteem saturates his life. This is predominantly created by the society in which a girl is deemed a tom boy or lesbian if she is no meek kitten and has bigger aspirations in life. Where men are not men if they are loyal, and loyalty scares a lot of people including their best friends, mothers and wives. Societies that justify female genital mutilation by thinking a reduction of sexual stimulation would domesticate a young woman. The problem is not completely due to one of these aspects of course where each society would vary in adherence to one or the other or a combination of all or part of them.
The first one is the power rapist.
These types of rapists don’t use excessive force but just enough to fulfil his desire of power. They feel they need to prove their macho man persona, or they could feel powerful only if they know that they have power over someone. This could be upon opportunity, like a date gone awry or it could be planned. Nevertheless, though in real life they may or may not have a don juan de marcos attitude, his low self-esteem saturates his life. This is predominantly created by the society in which a girl is deemed a tom boy or lesbian if she is no meek kitten and has bigger aspirations in life. Where men are not men if they are loyal, and loyalty scares a lot of people including their best friends, mothers and wives. Societies that justify female genital mutilation by thinking a reduction of sexual stimulation would domesticate a young woman. The problem is not completely due to one of these aspects of course where each society would vary in adherence to one or the other or a combination of all or part of them.
A good friend of mine, an activist once discussed how fathers rape their children in line-houses simply because there are no doors and they get stimulated seeing the daughter change clothes. Fixing a door can change statistics, while almost none of these cases will be reported to the police.
Why do they do it?
People think without analysis the following
1. A lusty male who is the victim of a provocative and vindictive woman.
2. A sexually frustrated man reacting under the pressure of his pent-up needs.
3. A demented sex-fiend harbouring insatiable and perverted desires.
All wrong, and this is why your son could be a rapist and your daughter could be a victim (Thats not being sexist. It’s just that most rape is committed by men so I wish to stick to that.). And whatever you read next is very short but based on clinical research, not speculation.
They all assume that the offender's behaviour is primarily motivated by sexual desire and that rape is directed toward gratifying only this sexual need. Quite to the contrary, careful clinical study of offenders reveals that rape is in fact serving primarily nonsexual needs. - A. NICHOLAS GROTH, PH.D
Let’s think in a simple way just to be general. All rapes are assaults and the abuser has assaulted someone. Be it a consensual underaged girl or a non-consensual abuse of anyone. Everything is assault to speak very broadly. This kind of assault is a symptom of psychological dysfunction. One may come from any environment but know in your heart that its psychological. So let’s sit back and think if we are bringing up our children to never abuse a girl. Because we as society maybe the cause of this.
One of the most persistent myths about rape is that the victim in some way was party to the offence: she was seductive or provocative and "only got what she asked for." Even if it were so-that is, if the victim did in fact act seductively or provocatively-she still retains the right to change her mind. There is no law against saying no, but it is against the law not to accept her refusal. A child is a child and law is law. We as a people must come out of this utter ridiculous myth that rape happens because of sexual deprivation. Some even go to the length of saying that legalising prostitution will curb rape. However, the fact of the matter is that prostitution does exist and it offers no solution since, again, the rapist is not seeking primarily sexual gratification. In fact, prostitutes themselves are sometimes the victims of rape, since they may represent everything the rapist finds threatening and resents in women. We sometimes associate rape culture to pornography. Of course any person maybe stimulated by pornography but rape is an act of “fear and anger”, not sexual charge. That does not mean pornography is to be banned or encouraged. Pornograhy does objectify females, support the position that women are legitimate targets of sexual abuse, and does validate sexist attitude. But it is not a direct stimulant to rape from a clinical point of view. What the rapist always does is shift the responsibility of his act to other things like intoxicants, the dress and behaviour of the woman, etc. Anything but the real issue. Himself.
The reason that as a society we must understand these things, adopt it and discuss is because we are limiting a serious societal problem to very meagre excuses with no research. Basically we are leaving the lives of 10,000 victims (“reported” within 4 years) who’s cases were reported within 4 years to simple dismissals. Of course, not counting our daughters who have not complained, and will not complain in the future. Even to attempt curb this problem we must understand the truths, not leave it to assumptions.
The female victims primary goal at a natural level is to survive the abuse. It’s instinct. Thus, many tend to not give a fight thinking “I need to survive this” because they are always under a death-threat, truly or psychologically. Rather than going deep into lasting psychological effects on the victim let’s look at it this way. If a woman is affected, she should rather know the real reasons why this happened to her rather than the mythology which When something is understood, it is less threatening and disturbing than something which appears mysterious, or bizarre, or unexplainable.
Types of rape
1. Power Rape - It is not the offender's desire to harm his victim but to possess her sexually.
2. Anger Rape - Sexuality becomes a means of expressing and discharging feelings of pent-up anger and rage.
3. Sadistic Rape - In a third pattern of rape, both sexuality and aggression become fused into a single psychological experience known as sadism.
firedragon
Veteran Member
I am definitely inspired. And I shall do as told. Honoured.
I have been fortunate enough not to be raped (some of this is because my disability makes me hyper aware and careful). But I have been assaulted (and indeed, what I was wearing hasn't mattered, because it's happened regardless of type of clothing, even poofy winter wear) by being inappropriately touched by disgusting people in crowds and the like. I've been slammed against a wall by my throat for refusing a man's advances (and I believe also because of my disability: he thought I was being a jerk by not verbally responding to him), I hate to imagine what would have happened if it was a less public area.
The kinds of people that do this are bad people regardless of what you might wear, as you say.
Cat calling might depend, but this is just immature people.
firedragon
Veteran Member
I am not able to bear reading this sis. This is bad enough. I would die before it happens.
Need a break.
And worse yet in this patriarchal society we continue to live in, the victim (woman) becomes the defender having to endure public claims that she is ultimately responsible for her own rape. The reason the majority of rape victims don't report them, especially girls on college campuses. It all comes down to women/girls having no voice.
Psalm23
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Fallen Prophet
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I don't think it has much to do with that. it's more about attracting a mate - rather than trying to attract everyone.
Women today dress a certain way that demands attention from everyone.
I believe that encouraging modesty instills life lessons about humility and self-worth - that it comes from within - rather than from everyone around you.
Men generally don't want to marry whores - or women who wear whores uniforms.
If women dress and act immodestly - they will attract only a certain type of man - and it won't be good for them.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
What the heck is this supposed to mean? I think most women dress normal. Too normal -- jeans and t-shirts are downright boring.
Fallen Prophet
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Don't get on TikTok then.