Why Does Trump Refuse to Call Out Nazis in Charlottesville?

[Notanumber]

That man is a disgrace.

http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/...cials-deny-role-newborns-jail-death/99600326/
Federal lawsuit filed after newborn baby died at Milwaukee County Jail; 1 of 4 deaths in 6 months
Milwaukee jail death shines spotlight on divisive sheriff

A man with the courage of his convictions. No compromise on principles. No apology for love of country. Unntimidated by the hateful rhetoric of the far left. A man after my own heart. Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke.

Read more: Wisconsin Sheriff David Clarke receives standing ovation with opening statement to the RNC | Daily Mail Online

 

[SkepticThinker]

A man with the courage of his convictions. No compromise on principles. No apology for love of country. Unntimidated by the hateful rhetoric of the far left. A man after my own heart. Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke.

Read more: Wisconsin Sheriff David Clarke receives standing ovation with opening statement to the RNC | Daily Mail Online

Ugh. This isn't rhetoric. A man STARVED TO DEATH in his jail and a NEWBORN BABY died in his jail when nobody would help the mother when she gave birth.
It's disgusting and morally repugnant for you or anyone else to not only defend that garbage but also to support and encourage it. You should be ashamed of yourself.

Thankfully, I think he's been removed from his position.

 

[Notanumber]

Clarke is not facing charges because prosecutors said he wasn't directly involved in the events that lead to Thomas' death.

Lawsuit filed in Milwaukee inmate's dehydration death

 

[SkepticThinker]

Clarke is not facing charges because prosecutors said he wasn't directly involved in the events that lead to Thomas' death.

Lawsuit filed in Milwaukee inmate's dehydration death

A lot of terrible things have gone on in his jail, under his watch. The four deaths are just the tip of the iceberg.

If you want to support that kind of crap, that's on you.

 

[idav]

A lot of terrible things have gone on in his jail, under his watch. The four deaths are just the tip of the iceberg.

If you want to support that kind of crap, that's on you.

The type of stuff I see from the Repub camp is they would rather have people rotting in jail. What happened in that jail shows how far that rhetoric can go. US already have the highest rate of incarceration, are we sure we are not just pretending not to be a theocracy.

 

[Notanumber]

A lot of terrible things have gone on in his jail, under his watch. The four deaths are just the tip of the iceberg.

Has he been tried and convicted of anything?

Whatever has happened to the good old rule of being innocent until proven guilty?

 

[SkepticThinker]

Has he been tried and convicted of anything?

Whatever has happened to the good old rule of being innocent until proven guilty?

Do you deny that 4 people have died in his jail, including a newborn baby?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

Whatever has happened to the good old rule of being innocent until proven guilty?

That doesn't apply outside of the legal system, and it doesn't even apply to all players in a courtroom. Certainly the DA that filed charges thinks the defendant is guilty and proceed as if that were the case.

People like you and me are free to judge by our own standards. I think that most of us found O.J. Simpson guilty of murder and Bill Cosby guilty of date rape even though neither was found guilty of those crimes formally.

How about Nixon? Was he guilty? Once again, not formally. He just quit his job and went home a free man but I'd hazard a guess that most informed observers found him guilty.

Another important distinction between a formal judge or juror and somebody outside of the process is that we have more verdicts available to us, including probably guilty and probably innocent. Innocent is apparently not an option in court. Available verdicts as I understand it are guilty, not guilty, or no verdict (hung jury/mistrial).

And finally, we are free to change our verdicts if additional evidence suggests that we should. We don't need to wait for the process to play out before making tentative judgments.

 

[Revoltingest]

The type of stuff I see from the Repub camp is they would rather have people rotting in jail. What happened in that jail shows how far that rhetoric can go. US already have the highest rate of incarceration, are we sure we are not just pretending not to be a theocracy.

Let's not forget that Democrats, eg, the 1994 Crime Bill
signed by Bill Clinton, also like keeping people in prison.
I don't see either party tackling the problem of improving
the criminal justice system. Moreover, the same is true
for civil justice.

 

[idav]

Let's not forget that Democrats, eg, the 1994 Crime Bill
signed by Bill Clinton, also like keeping people in prison
I don't see either party tackling the problem of improving
the criminal justice system. Moreover, the same is true
for civil justice.

Dems stand for lowering penalties for crimes and Repub want to make it worse stiffer fines and penalties especially with the war on drugs. Libs want it legalized yet don't want people going to jail for minor things. Are these not typical, maybe not, but it's the war on drugs and on the justice system. Trumps making sure to try and keep the war going, he's been doing a decent job too, but that's not where libs want trump doing well, i imagine the same for you from our past convos.

 

[Revoltingest]

Dems stand for lowering penalties for crimes and Repub want to make it worse stiffer fines and penalties especially with the war on drugs. Libs want it legalized yet don't want people going to jail for minor things. Are these not typical, maybe not, but it's the war on drugs and on the justice system. Trumps making sure to try and keep the war going, he's been doing a decent job too, but that's not where libs want trump doing well, i imagine the same for you from our past convos.

I oppose Trump's enthusiasm for the War On Drugs.
But I don't see the Dems opposing it either.

 

[idav]

I oppose Trump's enthusiasm for the War On Drugs.
But I don't see the Dems opposing it either.

Well if they are not they should be, that's a liberal thing. One of clintons big things was to end mass incarceration, starkly different from Trumps stand.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well if they are not they should be, that's a liberal thing. One of clintons big things was to end mass incarceration, starkly different from Trumps stand.

Clintons wanted to end mass incarceration?
That's like saying Trump wants to end rudeness.

 

[idav]

Clintons wanted to end mass incarceration?
That's like saying Trump wants to end rudeness.

That's it PBS for you from now on.

Trump vs. Clinton: Criminal Justice Reform

 

[Revoltingest]

That's it PBS for you from now on.
Trump vs. Clinton: Criminal Justice Reform

Your link is taking its sweet time to load.
Clinton's 1994 Crime Bill (which Hilda supported) was a disaster for civil rights.
Both Trump & Clinton (either) look good to me regarding justice.

 

[idav]

Your link is taking its sweet time to load.
Clinton's 1994 Crime Bill (which Hilda supported) was a disaster for civil rights.
Both Trump & Clinton (either) look good to me regarding justice.

Ok well I didn't vote for billy. Trump and Hillary both had similar stance on death penalty, that I was unaware.

 

[Revoltingest]

Ok well I didn't vote for billy. Trump and Hillary both had similar stance on death penalty, that I was unaware.

I don't see really good reforms coming from either party.
Maybe some time in the future, eh?

 

[idav]

I don't see really good reforms coming from either party.
Maybe some time in the future, eh?

Hopefully seems most the reform is coming from the states themselves, Feds have tons of catching up, its citizens are getting ornery.

 

[Revoltingest]

Hopefully seems most the reform is coming from the states themselves, Feds have tons of catching up, its citizens are getting ornery.

I expect that it might eventually come from the Supreme Court.

 

[Notanumber]

Do you deny that 4 people have died in his jail, including a newborn baby?

This man will get a trial to determine if he will be convicted.