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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Messianic Israelite, Feb 13, 2021.

  1. Unveiled Artist

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    Traditions are practices (oral and written) that has been kept from past generations to this day; in this case, its the teachings and practices from the bible.

    Do christians just talk about god but don't do anything from the bible that mirrors what their god and jesus had taught?

    JW has traditions. Catholics do. All christian denominations do. Where did they get their traditions from?
     
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    But most of what Christians call traditions are not from the Bible. Decorating trees at Christmas is a PAGAN practice. In fact Christmas is a PAGAN day. Jesus was not born in late December. Jesus never made the "sign of the cross" or used rosary beads. Using beads and other objects for prayer is a PAGAN practice. So I am still waiting to hear ehat traditions come from the Bible.
     
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    Like other words, it seems like christians are more concerned with the word itself and not the actual meaning and context. I never read jesus was against traditions, but those "specifically" of pagan practices.

    Catholics don't own the word traditions. Its just (per definition) the transmission of customs or beliefs from generation to generation, or the fact of being passed on in this way.

    It's not a PAGAN word.
     
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    One could call wine and bread "PAGAN" as they had meanings before Christianity. Candles could be called "PAGAN" for the same reason. A spruce tree was used as a symbol of the Trinity, so why is that supposedly bad? The cross predates Jesus, so is having one in church "PAGAN"? Burials predate Jesus, so are they "PAGAN"?

    It's rather perverse to think this way because it turns a good [symbols reminding us of a Christian teaching] into some sort of evil.
     
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  5. Mestemia

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    And?

    Actually, decorating trees is, in fact, in the Bible:

    Jeremiah 10:1-5 KJV
    Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
    Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
    For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
    They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
    They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.​
     
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    I think you have missed the point completely. Yes, decorating a tree is in the Bible - as an example of a pagan custom that Christians should not follow. Next time read it a little closer.
     
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    Seems you are mistaken about how closely I read what you wrote:

    Then your very next sentence:


    So your very first example is, in fact, in the Bible:

    Jeremiah 10:1-5 KJV
    Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
    Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
    For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe.
    They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not.
    They are upright as the palm tree, but speak not: they must needs be borne, because they cannot go. Be not afraid of them; for they cannot do evil, neither also is it in them to do good.


    I read it close enough to point out that your second sentence made your first sentence a lie.
    Now if what you wrote is a bad representation of what you meant....
     
  8. lostwanderingsoul

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    And I completely agree that decorating trees is in the Bible. But the Bible does not say that this is a good thing that people should do. It says that it is a HRATHEN practice and Christians should not do it. But that is how many people interpret things. If the Bible syas they should not do it then they find any excusr they can to think they should do it. All of my statements were correct and accurate. Your interpretation was not correct.
     
  9. Mestemia

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    Nope.
     
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