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Featured Why do so few people keep the seventh day Sabbath?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Messianic Israelite, Feb 13, 2021.

  1. Muffled

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    I believe God decides what is proper not men.
     
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    lostwanderingsoul Well-Known Member

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    1. God says in the Bible that He never changes so His laws would never change. 2. God rested on the seventh day. How can anyone enhance that by changing it to a different day? 3. The commandment says to REMEMBER the sabbath day. How would changing it to a different day have anything to do with remembering it? It actually causes you to FORGET instead of remember. 4. People are so anti-Jew that they will do anything to avoid doing something Jews do.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Other than Jesus' Two Commandments, the Law is not binding on Gentiles. Since the observance of Shabbat is not a part of the Two, it's optional.
     
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    Let me just suggest this. One of Jesus two commandments is to love God with all you heart. Now if God rested on the seventh day and BLESSED that day and made it HOLY., then it seems like if you really love God with all your heart, then you would WANT to remember his special blessed day even if it was not a law or rule to remember it.Some people SAY they love God but they only love that part of God that they want to love. We should love all of God and remember everything He did and blessed. In my opinion of course.
     
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    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

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    Why not another day of the week? We should love God seven days a week, not just one, plus one can observe a rest on any day of the week.

    However, I do believe a communal day of rest is important so as to congregate, which is a requirement under both Jewish Law and also Jesus' teachings. The early Church gradually shifted to a Sunday worship due to the recognition of Jesus' resurrection, as it was that day chosen late in the first century for the "agape meal".

    In the 2nd century, there was a greater emphasis on that day because two days a week of communal observance seems to have been a burden, especially because of most likely working six days a week.

    Thus, such a mandatory observance on Shabbat doesn't make much sense as being compulsory unless one also deems it an obligated to observe all the other 612 Laws.

    Here's the 613, btw: Judaism 101: A List of the 613 Mitzvot (Commandments)
     
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    Thank you. I certainly understand the reasons behind the change to a Sunday day of rest. However I still believe that God blessed the seventh day ( the day He rested from the work of creation ) and said He wants us to remember that day. Not change it to another day. I also think part of the reason for the change was that early Christians wanted to be different from the Jews so they changed the day just to be different. IMO
     
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    lostwanderingsoul Well-Known Member

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    Let me just add one more thing. And I am NOT saying you are wrong or trying to change your beliefs in any way. But let's just say that when you were a young boy your father told you that he graduated from school on Wednesday and he wanted you to remember Wednesday as a special day for him. I assume you loved and respected your father and would want to please him. But a few years later you decided that it was too inconvienient to remember Wednesday so you were going to remember Monday as "School Graduation Day". Do you think your father would be happy with this? It has nothing to do with laws or rules but just respect for you father. Doesn;t God feel the same way?
     
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    What about the other 612 Commandments found in Torah? For example, do you keep kosher, which includes several Laws under that "umbrella"?

    That could be one of the reasons, but I've never seen any confirmation of that.

    Again, see above.

    I can't speak for God, therefore I'm not going to assume anything along this line. What I am saying is that if one is going to take that position, then they logically must take all the other 612 Commandments as well.

    Thus, if Saturday works for you and your denomination, I certainly have no problem with that.
     
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    Thanks. I agree.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Enhancing means keeping the old but adding to it. What I find is people simply ignoring it, by saying Jesus is their sabbath. Now non-Jews are not expected to observe the Sabbath, but "Jesus is their sabbath?" Really? That's not having any Sabbath at all. It's just an excuse to give it up.
     
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    It does not matter what Jesus did. Jesus cannot change the fact that God rested on the seventh day. Not the first or second or third. The seventh. And God blessed that day and made it holy. Nothing and no one can change that. All God asks is for us to REMEMBER the seventh day and keep it holy. Anyone who says he loves God should want to keep his holy day holy. Not because it is a law or a commandment, but because it shows you love for God and the things He made holy.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    But God did NOT ask the whole world to remember the seventh day. He only asked israel to.
     
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    I think God blessed the seventh day and made it holy long before there was an Israel. If God makes something holy do you have to be asked or commanded to remember it? Do you have to be told to remember your human father's birthday? And what if you decided that you would celebrate some other day that was more convenient for you. How would your father feel about that.
     
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    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

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    Before Israel was given the seventh day commandment, there was never a time when God gave a similar commandment to a Gentile.

    Birthday's are celebrated in my culture. I remember my dad's birthday because, specifically, I HAVE been taught to remember birthdays. If I had been brought up in some other culture, I might not even know my own birthday.
     
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    Thank you and peace to you as well.
     
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