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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Nakosis, Jul 13, 2019.

  1. Nakosis

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    “I don’t believe that Sweden exists,” my friend suddenly declared from across the coffee shop table. He took a sip of espresso and stared intently at me, clearly awaiting a response. I paused, my cinnamon roll halfway to my mouth, as I digested what he’d just said.


    “Pardon?”


    “I don’t believe that Sweden exists,” he repeated. “I think it’s just a political conspiracy, designed to motivate other European citizens to work harder. All that talk of the best health care system, the highest standard of living, of tall and beautiful people. It sounds like a myth and I’m not buying it. I don’t believe in Sweden.”


    I stared at my friend silently for a moment, allowing the sounds of the coffee shop to drift over us as I pondered. In the background, the radio began playing ‘Dancing Queen’ by Abba.


    “What do you mean, ‘You don’t believe in Sweden’?” I finally replied. “That’s insane. If Sweden doesn’t exist, how do you explain IKEA furniture, or the Swedish chef on The Muppet Show, or what glues Norway to Finland? That’s a staggering claim! What’s your evidence?”


    “What do you mean ‘evidence’?” he asked.


    “Evidence,” I said. “You must have more than just a hunch but some pretty impressive evidence for your belief. I know Sweden only has 9.5 million inhabitants, but you can’t simply deny outright that it exists!”


    “Aha,” said my friend sagely, “I see your confusion. You think that my denial of Sweden is a belief. But it’s simply a non-belief and so I don’t need to give evidence for it.”


    “Come again?” I said.


    “Yes,” he continued, warming to his theme, “I don’t have to provide evidence for my non-belief in Atlantis, El Dorado, or Shangri-La and nor do I need to do so for my non-belief in Sweden. You see I’m not making a claim of any kind—quite the opposite: I’m claiming nothing, I’m merely rejecting one of your beliefs—your belief in Sweden.”
    Why Atheism Is a Belief System | Zacharias Trust | RZIM Europe

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  2. Nowhere Man

    Nowhere Man Bompu Zen Man with a little bit of Bushido.

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    If it wasn't for theists, atheism wouldn't even be a word.
     
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  3. Nakosis

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    If it wasn't for Sweden then... umm, well maybe we should create a word for a lack of belief in Sweden. :(
     
  4. David T

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    Well there ya go. You are trusting crackpots as your expert as to the word god! I personally pay no attention and give no credit to them understanding that word. Not everyone but about 99%.

    They use the word god for unicorn. The atheist say yes it Means unicorn and therefore does not exist.. Where the hell did you learn that from atheists? Them.

    This is a prime exame of 2 dimwits agreeing that in fact they are carrying on a conversation! How many angels can dance on the head of a pin. They mutually agree as to the nature of the topic discussed, except one says infinity and the othere says false finite.
    Brilliant deeply thought! Hard work boy. I break into a terrible sweat just thinking about that. Whew deep very.

    I dont listen to either! Kiddy pool.

    I believe in god! I dont believe in god. Wow this is deep!! "I know i just peed". "I dont believe". "No really i did." "No evidence prove it." "how can i prove prove it" well then your crazy no evidence no truth"
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  5. ChristineM

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    Why Atheism is a Belief System

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    really couldn't be bothered wading through the OP so will just reply to the title which points to the OP being yet another misrepresentation of atheism.

    Dictionary definition
    Atheism : disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

    So your title implies belief is actually disbelief, interesting so maybe not collecting stamps is a hobby, and not playing football is a sport.

    Have a word with the dictionary compilers, i am sure they will change the definition to

    Not disbelief or not lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.



     
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  6. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Disgusting and pointless.

    Opponents of atheism ought it to themselves to be more intellectually honest.
     
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    Him saying that Sweden doesn't exist would be a non-belief in Swedens existence. His opening words say "I don’t believe that Sweden exists".

    The conspiracy that he says is the motivation behind why people say Sweden exists is a belief of his.

    Not believing something is the opposite of belief.

    Atheism is: NOT BELIEVING in the existence of a God. The opposite of belief.
     
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    I like it ! Zacharias is a genius. Itś all about faith or non faith. I have never been to the south pole, but I have faith that it exists. The earth is flat too !
     
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    What even is an “atheist?”

    Wouldn’t people have to define something first before not believing in it?
     
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    An atheist is exactly what the name says a = against, or opposite, theist = one who believes in God/gods.
     
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    They believe that they believe in nothing.
     
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    They do not believe that they believe that they believe in nothing.
     
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    Atheists have no compelling evidence of there really being an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, highly benevolent supernatural deity.; hence, atheists reason the logical rational default position is to disbelieve in the actual existence of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and highly benevolent supernatural being with evidence lacking of there really being such a supernatural deity.

    Despite there being zero evidence for the existence of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, and highly benevolent supernatural being , theists take the nonsensical position that such a supernatural deity actually does exist.
     
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  14. Nowhere Man

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    You didn’t specify which meaning of Atheism you’re considering. You might be equating Atheism with denouncing all belief in God, which is not always what people mean by “Atheism.” Is the question, whether or not it’s a double standard to demand evidence for believing in God, while denying any need for evidence that any kind of belief in any god is false? If that’s the question, I’ll say yes, that would look like a double standard to me. There might not be anyone saying that, explicitly.

    It might be that most people who denounce all belief in God, indiscriminately, think they know that any kind of belief in any kind of God is false, even if they don’t say so explicitly. Even so, their reason for denouncing belief in God might not be because they think it’s false. It might be because they’re blaming that belief for some harmful attitudes and behavior.

    In other words, do they mean to say that any kind of belief in any kind of God is false? If they say that there is no need for evidence for that, while demanding evidence for belief in God, I would call that a double standard. Are they blaming some harmful behavior on belief in God? If they say that there is no need for evidence for that, while demanding evidence for belief in God, I would call that a double standard.
     
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    So you believe nothing is there.
     
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    Some of the people who are denouncing all belief in God, indiscriminately, call themselves “atheists,” but they aren’t saying that their atheism is their reason for denouncing belief in God. Some of them and some other people have said, again and again, that their reason for denouncing belief in God is because of the harmful behavior that they associate with it, and they do have evidence for that.
     
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    Can your perception of reality be wrong? If so, then you believe in what you call reality.

    Otherwise you're one of those "perception is reality" types I assume.
     
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    That could actually be considered quite deep. Anything could be truth or a lie. I would say that if the majority of professional people proclaim something as the truth, then it should be. However, that is not even true.
     
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