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Who is the true church?

Discussion in 'Biblical Debates' started by phernduke, May 16, 2005.

  1. jonny

    jonny Well-Known Member

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    Haven't you seen South Park? They answered this question in one of their episodes:

    "It was the Mormons."
    *disappointed sigh* from everyone in Hell

    :jam:

    http://www.jlbunting.com/South%20Park%20Video%20-%20Mormons.mpeg
     
  2. Snowbear

    Snowbear Nita Okhata

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    I didn't say He did. He defined it, though.
     
  3. robtex

    robtex Veteran Member

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    Wouldn't history decide this. If the one true church was the purest path to God, which is why it would be the one true church, than wouldn't the pureness of the spirtual connection to that one true church be equally evident to all christians?
     
  4. MdmSzdWhtGuy

    MdmSzdWhtGuy Well-Known Member

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    Love this debate. Which church is the one true church? Seems all the answers are from various sects of the Christian Church.

    What if Islam is the one true path to God and eternal life? What if Judaism is the answer. What if it is Zoroastrianism? What if some of the Native American naturalistic religions had it right? The debate is endless, and probably pointless, tho no doubt entertaining.

    And besides, anyone who has seen the famous Southpark episodes on the subject know without a doubt that only Mormons go to Heaven and Japanese people have no soul.

    Seems to me in my discussions with various religious folks, that they are all convinced that their own particular group has it right, and every other person from other groups has it wrong. Mel Gibson doesn't even think his own wife is going to Heaven because she isn't a Catholic. Mel must be correct, of course, cause he made "The Passion" and it made a lot of money in theatres.

    My wife and I joke that Heaven is going to be a lonely place because my parents seem convinced that only the 90 or so members of their little rural Babtist church are going to Heaven. There can never be an answer to the question posed in the origins of this thread, tho the debate en route is certainly fascinating and tells us a great deal about the participants in the discussion.

    B.
     
  5. may

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    What happened to that one true congregation? Did it become the mighty Catholic Church? Did it evolve into the denominational, fragmented Protestant church system that we see today? Or did something else happen?

    consider what Jesus Christ himself said would happen. Jesus expected his congregation to disappear from view and that he would allow such a sad situation to continue for centuries

    Identifying his congregation with "the kingdom of the heavens," he said: "The kingdom of the heavens has become like a man that sowed fine seed in his field. While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat, and left. When the blade sprouted and produced fruit, then the weeds appeared also. So the slaves of the householder came up and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field? How, then, does it come to have weeds?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ They said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them?’ He said, ‘No; that by no chance, while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest; and in the harvest season I will tell the reapers, First collect the weeds and bind them in bundles to burn them up, then go to gathering the wheat into my storehouse.’"—Matthew 13:24-30

    Jesus explained that he was "the sower." "The fine seed" pictured his genuine disciples. His "enemy" was Satan the Devil. "The weeds" were counterfeit Christians who infiltrated the early Christian congregation. He said that he would let "the wheat" and "the weeds" grow together until "the harvest," which would come at "a conclusion of a system of things." (Matthew 13:37-43)

     
  6. unseen7

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    The Lord knows the deepest parts of people's hearts, surely the true church should not be viewed in human's eyes.. but in Gods eyes!
     
  7. Halcyon

    Halcyon Lord of the Badgers

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    What makes you think God has eyes?
     
  8. may

    may Well-Known Member

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    Jesus said
    By their fruits you will recognize them. . . . Every good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; . . . Really, then, by their fruits you will recognize those men." (Matthew 7:16-20

     
  9. Merlin

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    Do you have a guide to the Paulician beliefs please

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  10. Merlin

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    we all know that the above quote actually means being viewed from God's own perspective. So, a better question would be how can we get is what His perspective would be?

    If it is accepted that the main differences between the Christian sects is the form of worship and a few minor doctrinal differences, is it likely that God would care about such a minor issues? Would He care whether we ate or did not eat a particular meat, or drank particular drinks, or even had sex before marriage? In the grand scheme of the universe, these are infinitesimally small issues
     
  11. dan

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    How do you figure? These things can and have changed the course of human history.
     
  12. Katzpur

    Katzpur Not your average Mormon

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    I am created in His image and I have eyes. Therefore, He has eyes. What makes you think He doesn't?
     
  13. Merlin

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    I agree completely. Although there are some new 'churches' where it can be seen that there could be an ulterior motive, especially when money is involved to be a member.
     
  14. michel

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    I wasn't going to post on this thread, because I believe no one Church is the 'True' Church; I think all Churches have as much 'validity'.


    The Church for me is unspoilt nature - somewhere where there is nothing man-made, where I can sit, gather my thoughts, and talk to God undisturbed. I don't know if it is a 'bad' trait, but I feel no need for a congregation (to be a part of) - I don't 'fit in' easily socially, and I usually end up feeling lonely in a group - and that is not very nice.
     
  15. Merlin

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    But not cosmic history which God must be involved with!
     
  16. Snowbear

    Snowbear Nita Okhata

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    Yeah, the deepest peace and the truest worship I experience is when I am alone under water, observing Creation that few have ever seen, watching tiny life forms interact. When the only sounds I hear are the air flowing through the hose as I take a breath and the bubbles passing my ears as I exhale.
     
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    "You are worthy, Jehovah, even our God, to receive the glory and the honor and the power, because you created all things, and because of your will they existed and were created....rev 4;11 ...yes there is certainly an abundance of life in the sea

     
  18. Merlin

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    These things have changed the course of human history. they caused the Crusades, where terrible cruelty was done to Moslems. They caused the Spanish Inquisition, where appalling cruelty was practised in the name of Jesus (clearly wrongly). They have caused many priests and Protestant ministers to be burned at the stake in the time of King Henry VIII and later. They have contributed to the sectarian violence in places like Northern Ireland and Bosnia. But none of these things had anything to do with God really!

    I still do not think He cares about our form of worship or our diet. He has much bigger things in His mind.
     
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    i believe that the true church is the faithful slave class spoken of in matthew 24;45-47 but i also realize that the world in general do not recognize that Jesus christ is now directing this faithful slave class to make know the good news of Gods established heavenly kingdom. ...matthew 24;14 on a world wide basis:)
     
  20. Halcyon

    Halcyon Lord of the Badgers

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    If we're going with that logic Kate, why don't you have male genitals, and why don't I have female ones? Does God have both? After all we were both made in his image.
    God doesn't use light to see, as evidenced by him existing before he created light, what possible use could God possibly have for eyes?

    Anyhoo, i was being more cryptic than that, which Merlin got. Does God have to have a perspective? Again, as Merlin says surely he has bigger things to think about than little Joey going to church on the wrong day, or Billy eating the wrong foods.

    From a logical point of view, as long as you worship YHWH, he should be as happy as Larry. Its only when human politics comes into the fray that confusion begins.

    "Faithful slave class" *shudders*...... May, does that not fill you with a sense of fear? Why does a God need a slave?
     
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