Who is the Mahdi in Islam?

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This Hadeeth is simple has no weight in your case.
Prophet Mohamed Said "If you see Almahdy, follow him. Allah appointed him as your leader"
Yes we Moslems should follow him and appoint him as leader.
What's the point ?

he says "follow him for he is God's Representative/Ruler"

 

[paarsurrey]

I was listening to Suratal A'raaf yesterday and this is what I came across (and Quran uses this term through out):

قَالَ الْمَلَأُ الَّذِينَ اسْتَكْبَرُوا مِنْ قَوْمِهِ لِلَّذِينَ اسْتُضْعِفُوا لِمَنْ آمَنَ مِنْهُمْ أَتَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّ صَالِحًا مُرْسَلٌ مِنْ رَبِّهِ ۚ قَالُوا إِنَّا بِمَا أُرْسِلَ بِهِ مُؤْمِنُونَ


The chiefs of the arrogant from his people said to those weakened from those who believe, do you know Salih is sent (mursal) from his Lord, they said "what he is sent with we believe in".


It can derived from this, the meaning of "sent" is to be sent with "something", that the believers said "what he was sent with we believe in".

So the meaning of "arsal" with respect to humans takes on this special meaning, that God sent them with something to be believed in.

The words Musraleen, arsal, mursal, are all over Quran, and they have this meaning whenever applied to a human.

So God he sends humans with either:

A revelation in a form of divine book/scripture to be held on to the people like Torah and Quran.
A message or messages from God they must deliver to the people and convey the clear message in this regard.
Or both (most Prophets and Messengers were both).

To know it doesn't mean "sent" as in the person is sent without a message, is that Mariam and Sarah are chosen and brought to humanity as chosen ones, but they aren't "sent" who other verses show are only male.


It's important to not just look at ahadith as what they can mean linguistically but they compliment the Quran and Quran should be taken account to what words it emphasizes on.


As we know God ended Prophethood in Chapter 33, he made it clear Mohammad is the final Prophet, so this means the Mahdi is NOT a Prophet, but he is coming with a message or messages that will revive the Quran and Sunnah.

"do you know Salih is sent (mursal) from his Lord"

I agree with one here that all Prophets/Messengers of G-d are also named Mursal plural Mursaleen, like they are all named Mubashar or Munzar or Nazir or Haadi or Imam Mahdi or Khalifatullah etc. Right, please?

Regards
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#113 paarsurrey Imam Mahdi is another description of a Messenger/Prophet from G-d, like "Haad" or "Nazeer" or "Mubasher" etc, please.
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"who guided the people by Our command".
The above is plural and it is not difficult to understand that its singular will be Imam Mahdi.
So, in this sense Imam Mahdi is described in Quran, at several places.

 

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"do you know Salih is sent (mursal) from his Lord"

I agree with one here that all Prophets/Messengers of G-d are also named Mursal plural Mursaleen, like they are all named Mubashar or Munzar or Nazir or Haadi or Imam Mahdi or Khalifatullah etc. Right, please?

Regards
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#113 paarsurrey Imam Mahdi is another description of a Messenger/Prophet from G-d, like "Haad" or "Nazeer" or "Mubasher" etc, please.
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"who guided the people by Our command".
The above is plural and it is not difficult to understand that its singular will be Imam Mahdi.
So, in this sense Imam Mahdi is described in Quran, at several places.

That is roles, they have, but you can be a Guide like Elyas who was a Messenger, but was the hidden guide (and was not a Messenger during this time) and instance of the holy spirit by which God guides creation, after Jesus was lifted to the heaven.

To be a Guide, you don't necessarily have to be a Messenger or Prophet.

But they are all Kings and God's representatives and rulers, and witnesses to people's deeds and states in the hidden realm.

The Mahdi means the one who God paves the guidance through or facilitates the guidance through, just like a cradle facilitates and moves a baby, this is how people can walk the straight path.

All Prophets and Messengers were a Mahdi, true, but this nickname refers especially for how God will facilitate guidance to establish justice in the world, and so it's a reminder, that we are in need of God's choice and his kings and Caliphs (representatives).

 

[paarsurrey]

he says "follow him for he is God's Representative/Ruler"

Yes, Imam Mahdi is Khalifatullh, he is to judge the people, the people are not to judge him. Imam Mahdi, as I understand from Quran, cannot be denied as denial of one Khalifatullah is denial of all of them. Right, please?

Regards
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[2:286]اٰمَنَ الرَّسُوۡلُ بِمَاۤ اُنۡزِلَ اِلَیۡہِ مِنۡ رَّبِّہٖ وَ الۡمُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ ؕ کُلٌّ اٰمَنَ بِاللّٰہِ وَ مَلٰٓئِکَتِہٖ وَ کُتُبِہٖ وَ رُسُلِہٖ ۟ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَیۡنَ اَحَدٍ مِّنۡ رُّسُلِہٖ ۟ وَ قَالُوۡا سَمِعۡنَا وَ اَطَعۡنَا ٭۫ غُفۡرَانَکَ رَبَّنَا وَ اِلَیۡکَ الۡمَصِیۡرُ ﴿۲۸۶﴾
This Messenger of Ours believes in that which has been revealed to him from his Lord, and so do the believers: all of them believe in Allah, and in His angels, and in His Books, and in His Messengers, saying, ‘We make no distinction between any of His Messengers;’ and they say, ‘We hear, and we obey. We implore Thy forgiveness, O our Lord, and to Thee is the returning.’
https://www.alislam.org/quran/2:285

 

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Yes, Imam Mahdi is Khalifatullh, he is to judge the people, the people are not to judge him. Imam Mahdi, as I understand from Quran, cannot be denied as denial of one Khalifatullah is denial of all of them. Right, please?

Regards
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[2:286]اٰمَنَ الرَّسُوۡلُ بِمَاۤ اُنۡزِلَ اِلَیۡہِ مِنۡ رَّبِّہٖ وَ الۡمُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ ؕ کُلٌّ اٰمَنَ بِاللّٰہِ وَ مَلٰٓئِکَتِہٖ وَ کُتُبِہٖ وَ رُسُلِہٖ ۟ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَیۡنَ اَحَدٍ مِّنۡ رُّسُلِہٖ ۟ وَ قَالُوۡا سَمِعۡنَا وَ اَطَعۡنَا ٭۫ غُفۡرَانَکَ رَبَّنَا وَ اِلَیۡکَ الۡمَصِیۡرُ ﴿۲۸۶﴾
This Messenger of Ours believes in that which has been revealed to him from his Lord, and so do the believers: all of them believe in Allah, and in His angels, and in His Books, and in His Messengers, saying, ‘We make no distinction between any of His Messengers;’ and they say, ‘We hear, and we obey. We implore Thy forgiveness, O our Lord, and to Thee is the returning.’
https://www.alislam.org/quran/2:285

True, but he is also described by the Prophet to be part of his family, and his family are described in Quran and Sunnah, and Quran shows without doubt, After the Prophet, there is Twelve Guides.

The Prophet said "The Mahdi is one of us, the Ahlulbayt" in Sunni hadiths!

It's actually very easy to see the promises in Quran pertaining to the Mahdi. It's not the case he is like other Messengers before him to Mohammad, he is the type if push comes to shove, and people oppress him and his followers when he comes with the message, they will be destroyed. And it will be put in a time, that everyone in the world will be forced to stand for justice or take side of oppression, and if they choose the latter, they will perish.

God will establish justice through him one way or the other!

 

[Limo]

Just please translate it, it should not be difficult to render it. Right, please?Also please translate the following:
یٰدَاوٗدُ اِنَّا جَعَلۡنٰکَ خَلِیۡفَۃً فِی الۡاَرۡضِ

Regards

I've translated already review between quotes "---"
The verse translation is " Dawood, we've (Allah speaks" appointed you as khalifa on Earth"
For your info, Adam and all his descendents are meant to be khalifa on Earth.

Look, your way of exaggerating in Almahdy personality is very strange. You're searching for common lexical term with Prophets and Messangers, then jump to conclusions that he's one of them.

Again this way depends on lake of Arabic understanding.
To cut it short, I hope you take it with open minded.

I, you, and all humans are khalifa's Allah on Earth as we're descendents of first khalifa who is Adam.
Allah sent us all to life. All of us have been sent. I, you, and everyone have been sent to life.
Only Prophets have been sent with verses.
What else ?

 

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Yes, Imam Mahdi is Khalifatullh, he is to judge the people, the people are not to judge him. Imam Mahdi, as I understand from Quran, cannot be denied as denial of one Khalifatullah is denial of all of them. Right, please?

Regards
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[2:286]اٰمَنَ الرَّسُوۡلُ بِمَاۤ اُنۡزِلَ اِلَیۡہِ مِنۡ رَّبِّہٖ وَ الۡمُؤۡمِنُوۡنَ ؕ کُلٌّ اٰمَنَ بِاللّٰہِ وَ مَلٰٓئِکَتِہٖ وَ کُتُبِہٖ وَ رُسُلِہٖ ۟ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَیۡنَ اَحَدٍ مِّنۡ رُّسُلِہٖ ۟ وَ قَالُوۡا سَمِعۡنَا وَ اَطَعۡنَا ٭۫ غُفۡرَانَکَ رَبَّنَا وَ اِلَیۡکَ الۡمَصِیۡرُ ﴿۲۸۶﴾
This Messenger of Ours believes in that which has been revealed to him from his Lord, and so do the believers: all of them believe in Allah, and in His angels, and in His Books, and in His Messengers, saying, ‘We make no distinction between any of His Messengers;’ and they say, ‘We hear, and we obey. We implore Thy forgiveness, O our Lord, and to Thee is the returning.’
https://www.alislam.org/quran/2:285

Not right. Totally wrong.
I'm khalifatullah. You're khalifatullah.
Almahdy judge no one.
Almahdy leads Moslems Not judge them.
It's not about denial or acceptance like Prophets.
Moslems will need a leader, moslems will select him. All Moslems will want/agree on his leadership.

He's one of us, any normal Moslem could be that man in one night.
In one night Allah will make him best moslem.

 

[Limo]

I was listening to Suratal A'raaf yesterday and this is what I came across (and Quran uses this term through out):

قَالَ الْمَلَأُ الَّذِينَ اسْتَكْبَرُوا مِنْ قَوْمِهِ لِلَّذِينَ اسْتُضْعِفُوا لِمَنْ آمَنَ مِنْهُمْ أَتَعْلَمُونَ أَنَّ صَالِحًا مُرْسَلٌ مِنْ رَبِّهِ ۚ قَالُوا إِنَّا بِمَا أُرْسِلَ بِهِ مُؤْمِنُونَ


The chiefs of the arrogant from his people said to those weakened from those who believe, do you know Salih is sent (mursal) from his Lord, they said "what he is sent with we believe in".


It can derived from this, the meaning of "sent" is to be sent with "something", that the believers said "what he was sent with we believe in".

So the meaning of "arsal" with respect to humans takes on this special meaning, that God sent them with something to be believed in.

The words Musraleen, arsal, mursal, are all over Quran, and they have this meaning whenever applied to a human.

So God he sends humans with either:

A revelation in a form of divine book/scripture to be held on to the people like Torah and Quran.
A message or messages from God they must deliver to the people and convey the clear message in this regard.
Or both (most Prophets and Messengers were both).

To know it doesn't mean "sent" as in the person is sent without a message, is that Mariam and Sarah are chosen and brought to humanity as chosen ones, but they aren't "sent" who other verses show are only male.


It's important to not just look at ahadith as what they can mean linguistically but they compliment the Quran and Quran should be taken account to what words it emphasizes on.


As we know God ended Prophethood in Chapter 33, he made it clear Mohammad is the final Prophet, so this means the Mahdi is NOT a Prophet, but he is coming with a message or messages that will revive the Quran and Sunnah.

Revelation is for only Prophets and Messangers.
Your thoughts about almahdy has a message has no basis in neither Quran nor Hadeeth.

It's jus thoughts which are not true.

 

[Limo]

he says "follow him for he is God's Representative/Ruler"

My friend don't mix representative with ruler.
There is no representative for Allah on Earth. God's representative is in Christianity not on Islam
Even prophet mohamed is not Allah's representative.

Also Hadeeth doesn't say "follow him" Hadeeth said "bayooh" accept/elect his a leader.

 

[TransmutingSoul]

One has to smile.

3 Muslims debating over the concept of the Mahdi and even the station of Muhammad. Yet each can say how right one view is and how wrong another view is.

History has proved this is what every Messenger from Allah faces and why they are all rejected.

Personal views in preference to what Allah has chosen to reveal, in the way Allah chooses to do.

Peace to all

Regards Tony

 

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My friend don't mix representative with ruler.
There is no representative for Allah on Earth. God's representative is in Christianity not on Islam
Even prophet mohamed is not Allah's representative.

Also Hadeeth doesn't say "follow him" Hadeeth said "bayooh" accept/elect his a leader.

"There is no representative for Allah on Earth."

Friend @Link should have used Messenger of G-d or Khalifatullah as G-d mentioned for David/Daud in Quran.

Regards
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[38:27]یٰدَاوٗدُ اِنَّا جَعَلۡنٰکَ خَلِیۡفَۃً فِی الۡاَرۡضِ فَاحۡکُمۡ بَیۡنَ النَّاسِ بِالۡحَقِّ وَ لَا تَتَّبِعِ الۡہَوٰی فَیُضِلَّکَ عَنۡ سَبِیۡلِ اللّٰہِ ؕ اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ یَضِلُّوۡنَ عَنۡ سَبِیۡلِ اللّٰہِ لَہُمۡ عَذَابٌ شَدِیۡدٌۢ بِمَا نَسُوۡا یَوۡمَ الۡحِسَابِ ﴿٪۲۷﴾
‘O David, We have made thee a vicegerent in the earth; so judge between men with justice, and follow not vain desire, lest it should lead thee astray from the way of Allah.’ Surely those who go astray from the way of Allah will have a severe punishment, because they forgot the Day of Reckoning.
https://www.alislam.org/quran/38:27

 

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Revelation is for only Prophets and Messangers.
Your thoughts about almahdy has a message has no basis in neither Quran nor Hadeeth.

It's jus thoughts which are not true.

It has a basis, arsal is used in context of being sent with something, either that is a divine book making them a Prophet, a revelation that he receives to be held on to by the people or it means the messages of God which means clear conveyance of proofs and truth to the masses.

The Mahdi is not a Prophet but he is a Messenger.

This is proven through the usage of Arsal in Quran which the Prophet kept in mind, when saying God will send the Mahdi.

 

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My friend don't mix representative with ruler.
There is no representative for Allah on Earth. God's representative is in Christianity not on Islam
Even prophet mohamed is not Allah's representative.

Also Hadeeth doesn't say "follow him" Hadeeth said "bayooh" accept/elect his a leader.

God is the King, so any true ruler of his as opposed to the Taghutic type from seher and falsehood, is God's representative.

 

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It has a basis, arsal is used in context of being sent with something, either that is a divine book making them a Prophet, a revelation that he receives to be held on to by the people or it means the messages of God which means clear conveyance of proofs and truth to the masses.

The Mahdi is not a Prophet but he is a Messenger.

This is proven through the usage of Arsal in Quran which the Prophet kept in mind, when saying God will send the Mahdi.

This is not they way we Sunni use to proof something in Islam.

Our way is that anything we say should have a from clear proof Quran or Hadeeth can be understood using Arabic language.

You jump to conclusions without Arabic language basis. You're acting like Christians who believe that the holy spirit can fill someone who can speak in the name of their God and add to holy book. You've only thoughts mostly sayings of your İmams.

From Islam perspective, Allah sends Prophets and Messangers only with books and messages via revelation، by Angel Gebreel.


Other than Prophets and Messangers has neither revelation nor message from Allah including Almahdy.

The last human has talked directly with Allah is Prophet Moosa, the last human received revelation from Allah is Prophet Mohamed.

Neither Bab nor Bahaa nor Almahdy nor anybody else has revelation or message after prophet Mohamed.

Very simple

 

[Limo]

God is the King, so any true ruler of his as opposed to the Taghutic type from seher and falsehood, is God's representative.

This is your view not Islam view at least Sunni.

 

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This is not they way we Sunni use to proof something in Islam.

Our way is that anything we say should have a from clear proof Quran or Hadeeth can be understood using Arabic language.

You jump to conclusions without Arabic language basis. You're acting like Christians who believe that the holy spirit can fill someone who can speak in the name of their God and add to holy book. You've only thoughts mostly sayings of your İmams.

From Islam perspective, Allah sends Prophets and Messangers only with books and messages via revelation، by Angel Gebreel.


Other than Prophets and Messangers has neither revelation nor message from Allah including Almahdy.

The last human has talked directly with Allah is Prophet Moosa, the last human received revelation from Allah is Prophet Mohamed.

Neither Bab nor Bahaa nor Almahdy nor anybody else has revelation or message after prophet Mohamed.

Very simple

You sunni don't even accept the divine authority of Ali still, so you are not authority over anything, you put your hand in the sand over every clear proof in Quran and Sunnah.

 

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This is your view not Islam view at least Sunni.

In my view, Quran condemns Sunnis to hell, so I care less what you say is the official Islamic view.

 

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وَلَقَدْ أَرْسَلْنَا مُوسَىٰ بِآيَاتِنَا وَسُلْطَانٍ مُّبِينٍ

All usages of the word Arsal means something in Quran. You are stubborn, Wallah, no body more stubborn than who reads Quran but denies the Wilayah of Ali therein.

 

[Limo]

You sunni don't even accept the divine authority of Ali still, so you are not authority over anything, you put your hand in the sand over every clear proof in Quran and Sunnah.

Subhan Allah.
Ali rady-Allah-anho is from Ahl-Albyt Prophet's family, he's one of the best 4 khalifa s in Islam, he's one of the 10 whom prophet Mohamed told them that they'll be in paradise, he's the first youth believed in Islam, he's the husband of Mohamed's daughter.
But has neither divine authority nor revelation nor message.

As I said you believe in wrong translation and your İmams' thoughts.
Regards

 

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My point exactly... As for me, I have no doubt about the designation of exactly Twelve Successors to the Prophet who are his family a long with Fatima in both the Quran and Sunnah.