firedragon
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Correct: it's about the god of Abraham self-demonstrating outside the bible and quran. Can it be done?
What do you mean "self demonstrating"?
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Correct: it's about the god of Abraham self-demonstrating outside the bible and quran. Can it be done?
Evident without literature. Can your god show himself - beyond a doubt - without lense of the Bible or Qur'an?What do you mean "self demonstrating"?
Evident without literature. Can your god show himself - beyond a doubt - without lense of the Bible or Qur'an?
I've read many scriptures. I'd say religions agree a lot more than most people think!Yet you all can't agree on the definition of that god at all
Who is the God of Abraham to you? I've seen a couple of featured threads about the God of Abraham today but first we could ask who is He and can we define Him? So often when we discuss the God of Abraham we have vastly different concepts.
Is He a he, her or transcendent about human conception of gender. Is He knowable, unknowable and how can we know. Did He send Prophets, Messengers, Avatars or Manifestations? Do scriptures inform us of who He is? Which scriptures enlighten us and which lead us to confusion? Does He exist or not exist? What else should we know? Who is the God of Abraham to you?
As an atheist he is a man-made non-existent thing
Irrelevant to me as well, as a Hindu. I think most Hindus who do think he might be relevant have been influenced by several decades of propaganda by invaders aggressively promoting their view.
Not what's being said, at all.So someone saying God is evil is because "God didnt show himself"?
If God didnt show himself, how would you know if God is evil or not?
evidence of Abraham's god outside the scripture.
How do you know your god, outside of what is written?What do you mean by that? What would be "evidence" in this case?
A Jewish tribal deity that unfortunately didn't just stay in the Middle East. I don't hate Christianity, though. It did its best to make Yahweh more compassionate and humane, as opposed to the totally abstract monotheism of Judaism and especially Islam.Who is the God of Abraham to you?
But that does not mean that any God is real. Feelings do not determine reality.I'm not judging, but people believe in the God that feels real to them.
Perhaps you should read other non-anthropomorphic scriptures that portray the Abrahamic God differently.Someone who is a violent, bloodthirsty, cruel and iron fisted dictator per the Torah, Bible, and Quran.
We shouldn't and He doesn't.Why should we love someone who would eternally damn someone over a short life of mistakes?
How do you know your god, outside of what is written?
The question is why you believe God did all or any of that? The Old Testament is anthropomorphic. God is not a human.How can he hate evil when he himself has conducted acts that did inflict great evils and woes upon humanity? Genocide, permitting slavery, death over a great many "mind your business" things that aren't even crimes, and it's pretty easy to justify war in the Quran. Such as how groups like the Taliban are able to point to this and that as legit grievances to justify going to war against an oppressor (but they target specifically and strictly agents of the state).
Pride and jealousy are human traits. God is not a human but unfortunately the Bible humanized God.I think seeing him as a Rakshasa is accurate; he tries to be good, but his pride and jealousy gets in the way.
It's what the Old Testament records as Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah having done or commanded or permitted. If you omit one thing, you impose on yourself a steep slope as to "why that and not this".The question is why you believe God did all or any of that? The Old Testament is anthropomorphic. God is not a human.
That changes nothing. His oldest religion following him is still heinously and inexcusably violent and repressive. And in that he is portrayed as both non-anthropomorphic as well as so anthropomorphic he is recorded as having conversations seemingly as a human or something humanoid with some like Lot.Perhaps you should read other non-anthropomorphic scriptures that portray the Abrahamic God differently.
That does not mean that God actually commanded or permitted what is written in the text. Men wrote that, not God, and they were not even prophets.It's what the Old Testament records as Yahweh/Jehovah/Allah having done or commanded or permitted.
I don't believe any of that but you are free to believe it if you want to. God cannot be a human and a non-human at the same time because that is a contradiction. I don't care what the Bible says, it is not the only scripture ever written and it is not the most current.That changes nothing. His oldest religion following him is still heinously and inexcusably violent and repressive. And in that he is portrayed as both non-anthropomorphic as well as so anthropomorphic he is recorded as having conversations seemingly as a human or something humanoid with some like Lot.