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Featured Who is Baháʼu'lláh?

Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Neuropteron, Dec 16, 2019.

  1. adrian009

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    Allah is very compassionate without doubt. He was there caring for Mary, providing date trees and the like. Mary was scorned by her people as she was pregnant yet claimed to be chaste. We all have our tests in life.

    The Abrahamic Faiths are founded on the Life and Teachings of each Messenger renewing the Eternal Dharma and making it clear how it applies for each successive cycle in human history. So we have the life example of the Founder and a book that records their Life and Teachings. Of course there’s some embellishments with story telling. Jesus rises from the dead and ascends through the stratosphere to be with his Father in heaven. Muhammad splits the moon. Moses parts the Red Sea. Noah builds a boat which is the Ark of Salvation.

    Time has made clear the spiritual power and influence of Krishna, Buddha, Muhammad and Jesus. Whether Bahá’u’lláh or Mirza Ghulam Ahmad has similar influence time will tell.

    You must follow your Dharma as I follow mine. I have no need to criticise Hinduism and wish you well.
     
  2. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Bahaullah was never known as the Father. And Abdul Baha himself chose to be known as that, though his given name was Abbas. Oh! First-born sons may be 'Mystery of God' to fathers, nothing special there. 'Holy Spirit' in action again! You mean, like Jesus, Bahaullah was breathed into the womb of his mother, and Khadíjih Khánum was a virgin when Bahaullah was born, also that Mírzá Ḥusayn-ʻAlí Núrí had nothing to do with Bahaullahs birth. And I do not think you were born of clay. I am sure that you had a normal birth.
    Mohammad never claimed to have slit the moon, where did you get that! Mohammad was recounting Allah's works.
     
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  3. Tony Bristow-Stagg

    Tony Bristow-Stagg One Planet One People Please
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    Have a great day Aupmanyav, stay happy.

    Regards Tony
     
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  4. Neuropteron

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    Hi,

    Thank you all for your insightful comments. It seems that you confirmed my initial suspicious, that is that Baha'u'llah was at best a very confused person.
    Jesus words seems to apply to him. Mat.15:14 " Let them be if a blind man guides a blind man, both will fall into a pit".

    Cheers
     
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  5. CG Didymus

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    If the books were written by men who embellished the story, then we don't have an accurate record of their lives and teachings. The supposed greatness of Jesus was the miracles. Who would have joined a religion that falsified the story about its leader? But, even some Christians today believe those stories are accurate and historically true.
     
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    Their best prophetic evidence from the Bible is, that when calculated out, they come up to 1844. As of yet, I don't know of one Christian that has shown how those calculations are wrong. But then from there, Baha'is completely obliterate traditional Christian beliefs... Like Jesus didn't rise from the dead. Ishmael, not Isaac, was taken to be sacrificed, the Beasts and Dragons of Revelation are Islamic leaders from more than 1000 years ago. The Three Woes of Revelation are Muhammad, The Bab and Baha'u'llah. The Two Witnesses are Muhammad and Ali and on and on.

    I wouldn't call Baha'u'llah confused, though. Maybe Baha'i explanations and interpretations are confusing. But, not to them... it all makes perfect sense.
     
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  7. arthra

    arthra Baha'i

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    I was interested in responding to the original post and question by "Neuropteron"... The first part of your post from Wikipedia is fairly accurate.. Your references to

    "....Ahriman , Ahura Mazda, Mithras, Ahurani or Aesma..."

    Shows your interest in Mazda Yasnian - Zoroastrian religion.

    Ahura Mazda if you read Wikipedia suggests:

    Zoroaster, who proclaimed Ahura Mazda as the uncreated spirit, wholly wise, benevolent and good, as well as the creator and upholder of Asha.

    Ahura Mazda - Wikipedia

    Baha'u'llah is a title meaning "God is glorious". His family traced it's origin to the region of "Nur" and it for awhile was a stronghold of Zoroastrians. Some have said the family traced its origin to Yazdigird III one of last Zoroastrian monarchs and a descendent of Zoroaster.

    The ancient Iranians had ties with Vedic language as well...there was an Indic-iranian connection. Naw-Ruz is the Zoroastrian New Year as it is for Baha'is. You can read more about the Baha'i-Zoroastrian connection:

    Baháʼí Faith and Zoroastrianism - Wikipedia

    Later Zoroastrianism also had some influence on later Buddhism in the book Anagatavamsa John Clifford Holt suggests a connection between Saoshyant and Maitreya..see p.2.

    Baha'is unlike Muslims at the time also had access to the Gospels through Christian missionaries.

    So it is interesting! ; - 0
     
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  8. adrian009

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    Your comment is not surprising given many conservative Christians often regards all other faiths, including many other Christians denominations, as confused and in error. Given the state of corruption and division that exists within Christendom, it is ironic to view other religions being led by blind men.
     
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    Given the failed predictions of the watchtower society it is ironic for Jehovah’s Witnesses to call the leaders of any religion blind:
    Watch Tower Society unfulfilled predictions - Wikipedia
     
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  10. adrian009

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    We don't have an accurate record of the life of Jesus Christ that is true. Most of the Gospels refer to the three years during his ministry so there is a much we don't know. Stories about the resurrection are of course not literally true and the same may be true with some of the miracles.

    Many Christians are reassessing their views in the light of modern biblical scholarship, developments in science and that we live in such a very different world from when Jesus lived. This questioning appears healthy.
     
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    I didn't realise @Neuropteron considers himself a JW. The JWs certainly have an extremely negative view of other religions including most other Christian denominations.
     
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    Splitting of the moon - Wikipedia
     
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    The OP is "Who is Baha'u'llah, not who are the Baha'is and what does the Baha'i administration do.

    But some people cannot find any fault with Baha'u'llah so they misrepresent Baha'i beliefs and post half-truths hoping the unsuspecting viewer might believe their blarney.

    Bottom line is anyone can say whatever they wish, but that doesn't make it true.
     
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  14. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    Kindly check your understanding of Quran. The Moon will slit on the day of Qiyamah.
    "That is, the splitting of the Moon asunder is a portent that the Hour of Resurrection of which you are being foretold, has drawn near at hand, and the order of the universe has begun to be disrupted."
    Surah Al-Qamar 54:1-22 - Towards Understanding the Quran - Quran Translation Commentary - Tafheem ul Quran

    Muhammad's miracle is like this:
    "According to Islamic tradition, the Night Journey took place ten years after Muhammad became a prophet, during the 7th century. Muhammad had been in Mecca, at his cousin's home (the house of Fakhitah bint Abi Talib), when he went to al-Masjid al-Haram (Al-Haram Mosque). While he was resting at the Kaaba, Gabriel appeared to him bringing the Buraq, which carried Muhammad in the archangel's company, to al-Masjid al-Aqsaʼ (Quran 17:1), traditionally held to be the Temple Mount in Jerusalem.

    At this location, he alighted from the Buraq, prayed on the site of the Holy Temple (Bayt Al-Maqdis), and then mounted it again as the creature ascended to the seven heavens where he met Adam, Jesus and his cousin John the Baptist, Joseph, Enoch, Aaron, Moses and Abraham one by one until he reached the throne of God. God communicated with him giving him words and instructions, most importantly the commandment to Muslims to offer prayers, initially fifty times a day. At the urging of Moses, Muhammad returned to God several times before eventually reducing the number to five."

    "Then he [Gabriel] brought the Buraq, handsome-faced and bridled, a tall, white beast, bigger than the donkey but smaller than the mule. She (Buraq was like a mare) could place her hooves at the farthest boundary of his gaze. She had long ears. Whenever she faced a mountain her hind legs would extend, and whenever she went downhill her front legs would extend. She had two wings on her thighs which lent strength to her legs.

    She bucked when Muhammad came to mount him. The angel Gabriel put his hand on her mane and said: "Are you not ashamed, O Buraq? By Allah, no-one has ridden you in all creation more dear to Allah than he is." Hearing this she was so ashamed that she sweated until she became soaked, and she stood still so that the Prophet mounted him."
    Buraq - Wikipedia

    If Al-Quran is one of your scriptures, then it behoves on you that you should read it carefully and believe it, whatever it describes. Dont be an unbeliever. Leave the doubts and skepticism to us unbelievers. Do you think that Allahs manifestion, Mohammad, was lying! lā ḥawla wa lā quwwata illā billāh

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    Al-Buraq on a reproduction of a 17th-century Mughal miniature
     
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    You have entirely missed my point though. Of course Muhammad didn’t split the moon as that would be absurd, just as would Jesus rising through the clouds to be with His Father in heaven. Believers cling to literal interpretations as they don’t really consider the deeper meanings of their sacred writings. So too do the critics of those very same writings. They use false and exaggerated caricatures of verses that were never meant to be taken literally so as to portray the faith of another as being absurd and without reason.
     
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  16. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Be your own guru

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    But that is what you said. Bahaullah claims that the 'Maid of Heaven' came to him and announced his mission as a manifestation of Allah. We find no reason to believe tall tales. Any person, even a criminal, can make such claims, if he\she is not required to give any proof.
     
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    LOL!
    I Corinthians 15:
    • 13 But if there is no resurrection of th'e dead, not even Christ has been raised;
    • 14 and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.
    • 15 Moreover we are even found to be false witnesses of God, because we testified against God that He raised Christ, whom He did not raise, if in fact the dead are not raised.
    • 16 For if the dead are not raised, not even Christ has been raised;
    • 17 and if Christ has not been raised, your faith is worthless; you are still in your sins.
    • 18 Then those also who have fallen asleep in Christ have perished.
    • 19 If we have hoped in Christ in this life only, we are of all men most to be pitied.
    Your "Jesus", whether he is Baha'i's "Jesus" or just yours is as unrecognizable to me as Islam's Jesus. And your "theology", and/or Baha'i's theology is, a "replacement theology," as is Islam's. I say: replacement theologies come and go, like dandelion seeds in the wind.
     
  18. Muffled

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    I believe despite his claims that he is a religious philosopher. In the sense that he talks about God and writes about Him even though he doesn't know him that he could be considered a messenger of God and a manifestation of him. So am I but I have God in me and the B man didn't.
     
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    I believe that is correct. The B man was raised in Iran which was largely Muslim and a few Zaroastrians. His writings reflect the writings in the Bible and Qur'an.
     
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    I believe Jesus is God in the flesh and Bahais do not. I believe Krishna was a Hindu philosopher and not God. I believe Buddha may have had divine inspiration without realizing it but mostly he spouts religious philosophy.
     
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