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Who is Baháʼu'lláh?

Neuropteron

Active Member
I recently became curious about Baháʼu'lláh as I noticed a popular trend to quote his beliefs and support his concept of universal acceptance of all major religions, which it seems he preached.
Admitedly, I know only what I just perused in Wiki about this person.

Baháʼu'lláh stated that he was a messenger of God, and he used the term “Manifestation of God” to define the concept of an intermediary between humanity and God. In the Baháʼí writings, the Manifestations of God are a series of interrelated individuals who speak with a divine voice and who reflect the attributes of the divine into the human world for the progress and advancement of human morals and civilization.

All of his works are considered by Baháʼís to be revelations.
The total volume of his works are more than 70 times the size of the Qurʼan and more than 15 times the size of the combined Old and New Testaments of the Bible.
Baháʼu'lláh's teachings focus on the unity of God, religion, and mankind.

I was unable to ascertain following information.

Which Persian God in particular was Baháʼu'lláh a manifestation of?
Ahriman , Ahura Mazda, Mithras, Ahurani or Aesma?
Was it interchangeably? if so did he identify which God he was representing?

Regarding Baháʼu'lláh acceptance of all religion does that include religion that are evil such as taught by the Persian God Ahriman, Satan or the Antichrist?
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Which Persian God in particular was Baháʼu'lláh a manifestation of?
Ahriman , Ahura Mazda, Mithras, Ahurani or Aesma?

Baha’is believe in the God of Abraham. We believe there is just One God and it is the same God that is worshipped by the Jews, Christians and Muslims.

An Unknowable God | What Bahá’ís Believe

Was it interchangeably? if so did he identify which God he was representing?

Jews may refer to God as HaShem or Yahweh, Muslims say Allah and Christians the Father. However there is just One God, though with many names.

Regarding Baháʼu'lláh acceptance of all religion does that include religion that are evil such as taught by the Persian God Ahriman, Satan or the Antichrist?

The main religions Baha’is would recognise as being Divinely inspired from the One God are Hinduism, Judaism, Zoroastrianism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam and the Baha’i Faith.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Which Persian God in particular was Baháʼu'lláh a manifestation of?
Ahriman , Ahura Mazda, Mithras, Ahurani or Aesma?
Was it interchangeably? if so did he identify which God he was representing?

Regarding Baháʼu'lláh acceptance of all religion does that include religion that are evil such as taught by the Persian God Ahriman, Satan or the Antichrist?

Good questions.

Baha'u'llah teaches there is only one God and is known by all the Messengers sent by that One God.

Evil is interesting. As a Baha'i we are told evil is just lack of Good. So it is plausible with all Messengers, that people will see good and see evil.

Regards Tony
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Which Persian God in particular was Baháʼu'lláh a manifestation of?Ahriman , Ahura Mazda, Mithras, Ahurani or Aesma? Was it interchangeably? if so did he identify which God he was representing?

Regarding Baháʼu'lláh acceptance of all religion does that include religion that are evil such as taught by the Persian God Ahriman, Satan or the Antichrist?
Bahaullah's God was Allah. Yeah, it is interchangeable like the YHWH of Christians, Allah of Mohammad. Afte all, Bahaism is an Abrahamic religion.

Bahais acknowledge and at the same time discard all larger religions from where they seek converts. That includes Judaism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism (because it also talks of One God, and it is Iranian, though it does not have a large base), Islam, Hinduism and Buddhsim. They say Bahaullah has brought a better message from Allah, a newer message, than what these religions have. Bahais do not know about other religions like Jainism of India, Daoism, Shintoism, etc. or the native religions of the world.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Bahais do not know about other religions like Jainism of India, Daoism, Shintoism, etc. or the native religions of the world.

That’s not true and would depend entirely on the Baha’is and where they live. For example I live in New Zealand where we have the religions of the indigenous Maori. My wife if part Japanese and I have visited Japan often. I’m therefore familiar with Shintoism.

It is not true we discard other religions. Shoghi Effendi has taught:

The Faith standing identified with the name of Bahá’u’lláh disclaims any intention to belittle any of the Prophets gone before Him, to whittle down any of their teachings, to obscure, however slightly, the radiance of their Revelations, to oust them from the hearts of their followers, to abrogate the fundamentals of their doctrines, to discard any of their revealed Books, or to suppress the legitimate aspirations of their adherents. Repudiating the claim of any religion to be the final revelation of God to man, disclaiming finality for His own Revelation, Bahá’u’lláh inculcates the basic principle of the relativity of religious truth, the continuity of Divine Revelation, the progressiveness of religious experience. His aim is to widen the basis of all revealed religions and to unravel the mysteries of their scriptures. He insists on the unqualified recognition of the unity of their purpose, restates the eternal verities they enshrine, coordinates their functions, distinguishes the essential and the authentic from the nonessential and spurious in their teachings, separates the God-given truths from the priest-prompted superstitions, and on this as a basis proclaims the possibility, and even prophecies the inevitability, of their unification, and the consummation of their highest hopes.

Bahá'í Reference Library - The Promised Day Is Come, Pages 108-113
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Well, you certainly discard that Jesus was the anointed son of God, that Krishna was all-mighty God himself, and make Buddha into a manifestation of Allah when he laid no claim even for the existence of Allah.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I recently became curious about Baháʼu'lláh as I noticed a popular trend to quote his beliefs and support his concept of universal acceptance of all major religions, which it seems he preached.

This is a real conundrum for Bahai's as they simultaneously state that their own faith is the one for this age, and by that, it can be interpreted that they reject all others ... that they are all outdated.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Well, you certainly discard that Jesus was the anointed son of God, that Krishna was all-mighty God himself, and make Buddha into a manifestation of Allah when he laid no claim even for the existence of Allah.

It's a lot of doublespeak ... a whole lot

"We accept other religions" ... upon investigation it's clear they don't
"We don't proselytise: ... but they do, constantly
"Gays can be Baha'is" ... but only if they're celibate
"We treat women equally as men" ... but women aren't allowed on the highest office
"We are a fast growing religion" ... but they aren't.

Bottom line is anyone can say whatever they wish, but that doesn't make it true.

I hope this encourages the OP to investigate further. Best wishes, Neuropteron.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Well, you certainly discard that Jesus was the anointed son of God, that Krishna was all-mighty God himself, and make Buddha into a manifestation of Allah when he laid no claim even for the existence of Allah.

Baha’is believe Jesus was the Son of God.

Christians believe Jesus was God as many Vaishnava believe Krishna was God. Bahá’u’lláh has said in the Kitab-i-Iqan that if any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God were to proclaim “I am God” he speaks the truth.

Buddha emerged from the Indian subcontinent at a time when many discussions of metaphysical were fruitless. He therefore focused on a practical spiritual path and eschewed lengthy metaphysical speculation. For that reason there was little mention of God or gods. Notwithstanding many Buddhists are theistic.

Why would Buddha use an Arabic word such Allah to discuss anything to do with the spiritual life? Muhammad was born over a millenia after Buddha.
 

TransmutingSoul

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Well, you certainly discard that Jesus was the anointed son of God, that Krishna was all-mighty God himself, and make Buddha into a manifestation of Allah when he laid no claim even for the existence of Allah.

It has been offered on this forum that Hinduism is founded on the prerogative that each opinion can have value.

Would you like to say that prerogative is not allowed by Baha'i?

Regards Tony
 

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
Witnesses and Bahais: *debate which of their prophets are more believable*

Me: :frenchfries: *munches popcorn*
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Baha’is believe Jesus was the Son of God.
Bahá’u’lláh has said in the Kitab-i-Iqan that if any of the all-embracing Manifestations of God were to proclaim “I am God” he speaks the truth. Bahai believe that Jesus was Son of God.
Really! I thought Bahaullah said that Jesus is not the Son of Allah. In that case who was the spouse of Allah - Mary? But Mary was not married at that time and I think she was just 16 years of age. Did Allah then commit child rape?
But Quran says Allah has no spouse.
Did Bahaullah say that he was Allah? Al-Badi'? The creator?
I just cant understand Bahais. Such weird statements!
 
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Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
It has been offered on this forum that Hinduism is founded on the prerogative that each opinion can have value.
When a Hindu has a different view, he \ she gives valid reasons. Absurd views are not accepted. Only the ignorant and gullible accept that. We have a whole 'darshana' (philosophy) devoted to 'nyāya' to check views.

"Nyāya, literally means "rules", "method" or "judgment". It is also the name of one of the six orthodox (astika) schools of Hinduism. This school's most significant contributions to Indian philosophy was systematic development of the theory of logic, methodology, and its treatises on epistemology."
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Maybe it's time for someone to ask Allah if He has children?
It is already well answered in Quran authored by Allah/G-d:

[6:102]بَدِیۡعُ السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ اَنّٰی یَکُوۡنُ لَہٗ وَلَدٌ وَّ لَمۡ تَکُنۡ لَّہٗ صَاحِبَۃٌ ؕ وَ خَلَقَ کُلَّ شَیۡءٍ ۚ وَ ہُوَ بِکُلِّ شَیۡءٍ عَلِیۡمٌ ﴿۱۰۲﴾
The Originator of the heavens and the earth! How can He have a son when He has no consort, and when He has created everything and has knowledge of all things?
The Holy Quran - Chapter: 6: Al-An`am
Right, please?

Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Really! I thought Bahaullah said that Jesus is not the Son of Allah. In that case who was the spouse of Allah -Mary? But Mary was not married at that time and I think she was just 16 years of age. Did Allah then commit child rape?
But Quran says Allah has no spouse.
Did Bahaullah say that he was Allah? Al-Badi'? The creator?
I just cant understand Bahais. Such weird statements!

And who solemnized this marriage, in what Church it happened, and what witnesses witnessed it. Was it an unregistered one, please?
The question is to the people of Christendom, primarily, but Bahaism could answer it, if the Christendom also agree, please. Right, please/

Regards
 
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