1. Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.

    Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:
    • Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
    • Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
    • Access to private conversations with other members.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!

Featured White Supremacy in Christianity

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by Fool, Mar 2, 2021.

  1. Windwalker

    Windwalker Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2013
    Messages:
    11,103
    Ratings:
    +7,112
    Religion:
    Love, Light, and Life
    That was specifically addressed in the link I sent you, and in my brief response touching on that. To put it in the post here, from that article linked to:

    Jews in Jesus’ day sometimes referred to Gentiles as “dogs.” In Greek, this word is kuon, meaning “wild cur” (Matthew 7:6; Luke 16:21; Philippians 3:2). Non-Jews were considered so unspiritual that even being in their presence could make a person ceremonially unclean (John 18:28). Much of Jesus’ ministry, however, involved turning expectations and prejudices on their heads (Matthew 11:19; John 4:9–10). According to Matthew’s narrative, Jesus left Israel and went into Tyre and Sidon, which was Gentile territory (Matthew 15:21). When the Canaanite woman approached and repeatedly asked for healing, the disciples were annoyed and asked Jesus to send her away (Matthew 15:23).

    At this point, Jesus explained His current ministry in a way that both the woman and the watching disciples could understand. At that time, His duty was to the people of Israel, not to the Gentiles (Matthew 15:24). Recklessly taking His attention from Israel, in violation of His mission, would be like a father taking food from his children in order to throw it to their pets (Matthews 15:26). The exact word Jesus used here, in Greek, was kunarion, meaning “small dog” or “pet dog.” This is a completely different word from the term kuon, used to refer to unspiritual people or to an “unclean” animal.

    Jesus frequently tested people to prove their intentions, often through response questions or challenges (see John 4:16–18; and 4:50–53). His response to the Canaanite woman is similar. In testing her, Jesus declined her request and explained that she had no legitimate expectation of His help. The woman, however, lived out the principle Jesus Himself taught in the parable of the persistent widow (Luke 18:1–8). Her response proved that she understood fully what Jesus was saying, yet had enough conviction to ask anyway (Matthew 15:27). Jesus acknowledged her faith—calling it “great”—and granted her request (Matthew 15:28).

    So, according to both the context and language involved, Jesus wasn’t referring to the Canaanite woman as a “dog,” either directly or indirectly. He wasn’t using an epithet or racial slur but making a point about the priorities He’d been given by God. He was also testing the faith of the woman and teaching an important lesson to His disciples.
    If you think Jesus was racist based on a reading of that text in that manner, there is nothing I can see anywhere else, either in the rest of the gospels, or in any of the teaching of the early church that was racist in tone or nature. It seems you may be taken a questionable reading of that text alone to conclude something the rest of the evidence contradicts.
     
  2. metis

    metis aged ecumenical anthropologist

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2013
    Messages:
    34,450
    Ratings:
    +16,258
    Religion:
    ecumenical & naturalistic Catholic
    White supremacists do not believe in the Bible-- they believe in bigotry and hatred.
     
  3. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2018
    Messages:
    5,823
    Ratings:
    +2,539
    Religion:
    Judaism
    I think they are genuine believers, even if they are called out by other believers.

    For decades, evangelicals have made it seem like this is a non-issue. That what is important is spreading the gospel, not "social gospel." That just isnt working anymore.
     
  4. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2018
    Messages:
    5,823
    Ratings:
    +2,539
    Religion:
    Judaism
    If someone called me a pet dog simply because of my ethnicity, I would consider them a racist.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  5. Saint Frankenstein

    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2012
    Messages:
    33,390
    Ratings:
    +18,581
    Yeah, that definitely was a racist statement. People love to try to rationalize all the examples of Jesus acting nasty to others (including his own mother) in the Gospels.
     
  6. InChrist

    InChrist Free4ever

    Joined:
    May 9, 2011
    Messages:
    7,832
    Ratings:
    +1,724
    The Bible reveals that there is only ONE race... the human race. Anyone who uses the scriptures to justify racism is either ignorant, biblically illiterate or just plain sinful.
     
  7. Fallen Prophet

    Fallen Prophet Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2021
    Messages:
    280
    Ratings:
    +54
    No - that would be like using plastic wrap as a shield - because Christianity supports neither.
    The whole "love thy neighbor as thyself" kinda puts it to bed.
     
  8. Windwalker

    Windwalker Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2013
    Messages:
    11,103
    Ratings:
    +7,112
    Religion:
    Love, Light, and Life
    And that's why you're not a biblical scholar. :)
     
  9. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2018
    Messages:
    5,823
    Ratings:
    +2,539
    Religion:
    Judaism
    Are you saying that you have a PhD in Biblical manuscripts?
     
  10. night912

    night912 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2019
    Messages:
    1,528
    Ratings:
    +603
    Religion:
    Not religious
    That translates to, "love your kind(of people) as you do yourself."
     
  11. night912

    night912 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2019
    Messages:
    1,528
    Ratings:
    +603
    Religion:
    Not religious
    One race, but different ethnicities/nationalities.
     
  12. wellwisher

    wellwisher Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Sep 1, 2018
    Messages:
    1,001
    Ratings:
    +343
    Religion:
    Catholic
    We need to define racism in a way that applies to everyone, instead of using the dual standard as is taught by the left, where only White can be racist and all other colors get to slide while being racist.

    Dr Martin Luther King, who was Black and wise, indirectly defined racism in his famous "I have a dream" speech. He saw a day when a person would be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin.

    If you analyze this last statement, character is not something with which one is born. Rather character needs to be developed via individual choices, along moral lines. Each day we are confront with choices and the main of character will choose wisely. The color of the skin, on the other hand, is something with which we are born and which we have no choice. A racist, therefore is anyone who does not judge people as individuals, who made choices, but will paint everyone of a given color, by a broad racist brush.

    This clear cut differentiation made by Dr King, was understood in the 1960's but was subsequently perverted by the Left; word scams, for political advantages. This led to racist solutions to racist problems. For example, the idea of reparations for slavery is racist since it they lump all people with the same skin color, with a broad brush. It would not be racist if each individual was judged by their character, or in this case their direct involvement with slavery or not slavery; choice.

    A racist solution will punish people, who never had slaves, but only have a target skin color. The non-racist will look only for the individuals who were real victims, and only punish the real perpetrators; choices. They but ignore anyone of any skin color who has no direct connection. Notice who the Democrats still take a racist approach, and try to justify their racism by simply reverse their broad brush victim.

    This is expected since the Democrat party was the original party of American slavery willing to divide the country to maintain slavery. A man of character has no reason to feel white guilt, since he is not clone based on skin color, The Democrats will nevertheless lump him based on skin color. A man of character will stand up this racism among his own race.

    White supremacy and Black pride are both racist, since both exist based on skin color and not individual character. There are Whites who are not supreme, and there are Blacks, who are not a source of pride. To lump all one way, and ignore the individual data, show how a racist views the world.

    One cannot solve racism, with reverse racism, since this does not get the individual beyond the original Democrat led racism. The dividing line should be all the racists, from all colors, can be places on one side, and all the people of character from all colors, on the other side. This divide, although consistent with Dr King, does not benefit the modern Democrat party, so they employ fake news and fake intellectuals propaganda to misrepresent the true path toward equality.
     
  13. Windwalker

    Windwalker Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2013
    Messages:
    11,103
    Ratings:
    +7,112
    Religion:
    Love, Light, and Life
    Not sure why that has to make me conversely be a PhD. One doesn't need to be PhD, to recognize when someone ignores information as they make claims of truth. You don't need to be a climate change scientist, to know Trump is ignorant when he says it's all nothing but a Chinese hoax, for instance.

    To say Jesus was a racist based upon your surface reading of one translated word 2000 years out of context for you, doesn't take a PhD to recognize the flaw in the formation of your opinion there.
     
  14. IndigoChild5559

    IndigoChild5559 Loving God and my neighbor as myself.

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2018
    Messages:
    5,823
    Ratings:
    +2,539
    Religion:
    Judaism
    By pointing out that I am not a scholar, you implied that you were. But apparently you are not, as you don't have the appropriate degree.

    What doesn't take a PhD is recognizing a racist remark.
     
  15. Windwalker

    Windwalker Veteran Member
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2013
    Messages:
    11,103
    Ratings:
    +7,112
    Religion:
    Love, Light, and Life
    What I was pointing to had nothing whatsoever to do with my credentials, but the fact that you ignored what scholars do say as you race to conclude Jesus was a racist based upon your misreading of the single word. That's why your not a biblical scholar, I said, because you don't bother with things like context. Has nothing to do with my creds.

    One does not need to have a full PhD, to understand how you can't just rip a word off the page, ignore it's original uses and contexts in order to understand it, and then apply a modern sensibility to it. That recognition of how not to handle the text, does not require PhD. That's what you learn in a beginners class, 101.

    Considering you are ignoring the contexts, perhaps maybe there is something to be said for education beyond anything-goes, and all opinions-are-equally-true readings of ancient texts? Again, doesn't take a PhD, just some basics in an introductory course into hermeneutics. A generic "certificate of completion" should suffice.
     
  16. George-ananda

    George-ananda Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
    Premium Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2012
    Messages:
    15,007
    Ratings:
    +5,499
    Religion:
    Advaita and Spiritualist and Pantheist
    I'm not sure I've ever heard a white supremacist use the Bible to shield their racism and bigotry. Got an example of how it is possibly happening?
     
  17. firedragon

    firedragon Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2013
    Messages:
    10,755
    Ratings:
    +2,941
    Most kind of racism and bigotry are hidden behind theology, theocracies, democracy, liberalism, atheism, communism and many isms.

    Everyone uses something to shield their racism and bigotry but very rarely say "I am just a bigot or I am racist".

    Thats the way the cookie crumbles.
     
  18. firedragon

    firedragon Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2013
    Messages:
    10,755
    Ratings:
    +2,941
    Yeah, but you said to the other person "that's why you are not a scholar". So this answer does not suffice because you said that statement as if you were a scholar.

    So I think in this case you didnt think enough prior to responding.
     
  19. firedragon

    firedragon Veteran Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2013
    Messages:
    10,755
    Ratings:
    +2,941
    You have repeated this twice. Same rhetoric. Why not provide an explanation instead? If you dont think the woman was denied her daughters exorcism because she was a Syrophoenician, then what is your explanation?

    Dont keep repeating "Phd". It doesnt make a difference. After all, you are the one who brought of the statement "You are not a scholar" at another person.

    Strange. Very strange.
     
  20. Muffled

    Muffled Jesus in me

    Joined:
    Nov 6, 2006
    Messages:
    18,371
    Ratings:
    +1,325
    Religion:
    Christian
    I believe I have not encountered any white supremacists but I did have a black Muslim in my jail bible class and he was taught to hate white people but I do not find that in the Qu'ran.
     
Loading...