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Which Route Should Be Taken in the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict?

Discussion in 'Middle Eastern Politics' started by Debater Slayer, Jan 23, 2023.

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  1. Israel should be the only state.

    8.8%
  2. Palestine should be the only state.

    2.9%
  3. A two-state solution.

    55.9%
  4. Other.

    32.4%
  1. Debater Slayer

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    State your opinion in the poll and/or in the thread.
     
  2. Revoltingest

    Revoltingest Abnormal before it was fashionable
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  3. Harel13

    Harel13 Am Yisrael Chai
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    This makes me think of seven-layer cake. Mmmm...
     
  4. Heyo

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    I have both Israeli and Palestinian friends. I have to say I find this to be in poor taste, even though I generally like your input on different topics and know you're joking.
     
  6. ChristineM

    ChristineM "Be strong" I whispered to my coffee.
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    2 state solution.
     
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    IMO, a 2-state solution but politics keep getting in the way.
     
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    Twilight Hue Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.

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    Ideally a two state solution. I still remember that Yasser Arafat had that golden opportunity to do so, but refused. I don't think it was that bad of a deal but he ruined that chance.
     
  9. Debater Slayer

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    Politics and religious extremism both from Islamists and fanatical Zionists.
     
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  10. ideogenous_mover

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    I imagine, at some point, a possible world where land ownership is granted to individuals. This is a world without state borders, but where individuals own / are granted land. It can be bought or passed down to other individuals. This may prevent war, because the world is atomized into trillions of bordered parcels. But also at the same time, all individuals who are born should have a right to some land. This is also a world where no one is without property
     
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  11. Exaltist Ethan

    Exaltist Ethan Synverse Shaper

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    Israel can claim the land in a similar fashion that the pilgrims claimed the land from the natives of America, using their concept of Manifest Destiny to keep the territory for themselves. Similarly, in Wisconsin its legal to claim land if you take care of it long enough. I am torn between full Israelite sovereignty or two nations. Ultimately, I know Palestinians would be granted freedoms and access to welfare that they don't have right now, and that Israel would take good care of them, but at the same time, I know Muslims have occupied that land for a long time and it wouldn't be fair if they didn't get some piece of that land.

    I'm not going to vote in the poll.
     
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    No argument from me.:shrug:
     
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  13. Heyo

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    I am, but I'm only exaggerating my view. I have no sympathy for either side and no hope for a solution. Both have broken treaties again and again. Every attempt at a peaceful solution has failed and there is no indication that there could be a lasting solution.
    Except Marmite, maybe it is time to try Marmite.
     
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  14. Debater Slayer

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    How do you know this, especially in light of the current situation where Israel is not doing so?
     
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    End religious hate and just get along. I don't understand the situation at all.
     
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  16. Exaltist Ethan

    Exaltist Ethan Synverse Shaper

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  17. Harel13

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    I have never gotten this type of argument. Since when is a country under any obligation to provide care and welfare and such to people who are not citizens or even residents?
    People, make up your minds: Either you consider the PA and Hamas to be sovereign entities governing these people, or you consider Israel to be the only sovereign entity in this region. If the latter, your criticism is understood, but you should redirect it at the rest of the world, because nobody agrees with you..!
     
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    I voted just Israel, but I'm starting to think that maybe my views would be better represented with "other". A better solution would be for the UN to finally take some responsibility and to take apart UNRWA and to employ the same policy they use for all refugees also to the people who wish to define themselves as "Palestinians". At the same time, I expect neighboring Arab countries to grant citizenship to these people and to potential immigrants. I find the constant finger-pointing while doing absolutely nothing helpful from these entities to be tiring, somewhat childish, incredibly hypocritical and utterly pointless and unhelpful (to say the utmost least).

    At this point, it would be more legitimate to have Israel and whoever will then represent these people (hopefully it's not the the corrupt PA) sit down at the negotiations table.

    Before you ask why I am the one pointing fingers now, the reason is because Israel has sat at the negotiations table countless times and has offered very, very large tracts of land, land that it has never been under any legal obligation to grant, to governing entities that have only sought to destroy Israel and her people. Heck, Israel has even given up land of her own free will, without demanding anything in return. It was a very foolish action in terms of security, but that fact remains that whether you like it or not, sitting at the negotiations table has never been a problem for Israel. For other groups involved, on the other hand, the story is very different.
     
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  19. George-ananda

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    Wouldn't full Israeli sovereignty be a Jewish State in your thinking? What if Jews lose majority through birthrates and such? Couldn't elections put Palestinians in majority control of Israel?

    I'm an outsider so maybe I'm not understanding something.
     
  20. George-ananda

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    Wouldn't full Israeli sovereignty be a Jewish State in your thinking? What if Jews lose majority through birthrates and such? Couldn't elections put Palestinians in majority control of Israel?
     
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