Which Religion has Killed the Most...

[1213]

Have you ever heard of Pope Urban II?
He was the leader of the Christian church who called for the Holy Crusades in 1095.
The leadership of the Christian church didn't end with Jesus. I'm not even sure it began with Jesus once Paul came on the scene.
What Jesus was reported to have said 2000 years ago doesn't seem historically relevant to the leadership/actions of the Christian religion.

Christian meant originally a disciple of Jesus. And person is a disciple of Jesus, if he remains in the word of Jesus. Why call them Christians, if they don't remain in the word of Jesus?

…The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.
Acts 11:26

Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
John 8:31-32

I don't think they could be called even Paulian, because they seem to go with their own doctrines.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Makes me wonder. Let's tally up the death toll of capitalism and blame it on various religions that seem to support or endorse it.

Is there anything in written in Captialistic writings that embraces any religion? No. There is absolutely nothing comparable to Marx's remark that religion is the opiate of the people.

 

[Nakosis]

We simply don’t know enough to make any meaningful comparisons over 2000 years.

I give you that maybe this thread was pointless.
I thought it informational but even with accurate numbers one can divide up the cause of death many different way and few of them without some kind of bias.

To list which single ideology or group caused more deaths is a way too simplistic method to go about understanding the violence in the world. Nor to think any method is going to be unbiased.

 

[metis]

According to communism, religion is the opiate of the people. This is why communist governments always have policies designed to stamp out religion.

You're really defining "Marxism", as "communism" does not necessarily involve oppression. Jamestown Colony actually acted under communist economics at first.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

You're really defining "Marxism", as "communism" does not necessarily involve oppression. Jamestown Colony actually acted under communist economics at first.

Jamestown did not accept Karl Marx, since he was not born yet. Thus, the whole opiate of the people thing cannot be applied to them.

 

[metis]

Jamestown did not accept Karl Marx, since he was not born yet. Thus, the whole opiate of the people thing cannot be applied to them.

That's part of my point, which is why I think it's best to deal with "communism" and "Marxism" differently. And you're right, as the "opiate of the people" applied to Marx's teaching but is not automatically inclusive with "communism".

 

[IndigoChild5559]

That's part of my point, which is why I think it's best to deal with "communism" and "Marxism" differently. And you're right, as the "opiate of the people" applied to Marx's teaching but is not automatically inclusive with "communism".

I think you can say that Jamestown had elements of communism (most would use the term socialism, not communism). But communism is based on Karl Marx. "Marxism is a philosophy, while communism is a system of government based on Marxist principles." Marxism: What It Is and Comparison to Communism, Socialism, and Capitalism.

 

[metis]

I think you can say that Jamestown had elements of communism (most would use the term socialism, not communism). But communism is based on Karl Marx. "Marxism is a philosophy, while communism is a system of government based on Marxist principles." Marxism: What It Is and Comparison to Communism, Socialism, and Capitalism.

Variants of communism have been developed throughout history, including anarchist communism, Marxist schools of thought, and religious communism, among others. Communism encompasses a variety of schools of thought, which broadly include Marxism, Leninism, and libertarian communism, as well as the political ideologies grouped around those... -- Communism - Wikipedia

 

[dybmh]

There is a connection: abandonment of, indifference to, or ignorance of truth.

What is that "truth"?

 

[Unfettered]

What is that "truth"?

That human beings have an inherent right to exist and live, free of compulsion by other humans.

 

[dybmh]

That human beings have an inherent right to exist and live, free of compulsion by other humans.

Yes! Now, what about the populace that permits it, is complicit in it, supports those in power who grossly abandon this? What is happening there? To me it's easier to profile the leaders, because, it's a smaller group. The populace is a bigger group, much-much bigger, so, that makes it more difficult for me. But, honestly, understanding what's happening with the populace is more important, imo.

Perhaps, just as I'm typing this, I can imagine at least one potential common attribute among the populace that supports it. And I think that attribute is also included in the leadership.

But I'd like to read your reply without introducing anything.

 

[Unfettered]

Yes! Now, what about the populace that permits it, is complicit in it, supports those in power who grossly abandon this? What is happening there? To me it's easier to profile the leaders, because, it's a smaller group. The populace is a bigger group, much-much bigger, so, that makes it more difficult for me. But, honestly, understanding what's happening with the populace is more important, imo.

Perhaps, just as I'm typing this, I can imagine at least one potential common attribute among the populace that supports it. And I think that attribute is also included in the leadership.

But I'd like to read your reply without introducing anything.

In my mind, the two most likely motivators among the general populace for support of government control of others are lack of civil education (ignorance of truth) and lack of civil discipline (to uphold truth). There are other potential motivators, but those two are most likely and most common, I would guess. People don't understand what it costs to have civilization, and when they do they still may lack the discipline to support it when threats to it are offered in exchange for personal gain of some kind.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Variants of communism have been developed throughout history, including anarchist communism, Marxist schools of thought, and religious communism, among others. Communism encompasses a variety of schools of thought, which broadly include Marxism, Leninism, and libertarian communism, as well as the political ideologies grouped around those... -- Communism - Wikipedia

I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "religious communism." The communism I'm referring to is what existed in Soviet block and Chinese sphere of influence during the cold war. In every case, they were atheistic and tried to stamp out religion.

 

[metis]

I have no idea what you are talking about when you say "religious communism." The communism I'm referring to is what existed in Soviet block and Chinese sphere of influence during the cold war. In every case, they were atheistic and tried to stamp out religion.

There were at least a couple of "religious communism" communities such as the Moravians.

However, you seem to miss the point I was making in response to your point in that there were and are multiple variations of "communism" with "Marxism" being just one.

 

[Tinkerpeach]

In the last 2000 years.

Not surprisingly, it's Christianity. Way to end up on top for a peaceful religion.
Unfortunately not far behind is Atheism as a Communist ideology.

Imagine how many folks are not alive today because of Christianity and Communism.
Though perhaps we should thank them for limiting the drain on our natural resources.

Atheism is easily number one

 

[paarsurrey]

Which Religion has Killed the Most...

The Atheism has killed the most, right?

" atheism isn't a religion "

Its adherents are shy to admit it, but isn't lately it "looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it definitely is a duck." , please, right??!

Nakosis said:
In the last 2000 years......

Atheism is easily number one

Notwithstanding whether Atheism is a religion or no-religion, a position or no-position ,"Atheism is easily number one " right?

Regards

 

[paarsurrey]

Atheism is easily number one

I agree with one here.

Regards

 

[Subduction Zone]

I agree with one here.

Regards

Even after being shown to be wrong? Really?

 

[TransmutingSoul]

In my mind, the two most likely motivators among the general populace for support of government control of others are lack of civil education (ignorance of truth) and lack of civil discipline (to uphold truth). There are other potential motivators, but those two are most likely and most common, I would guess. People don't understand what it costs to have civilization, and when they do they still may lack the discipline to support it when threats to it are offered in exchange for personal gain of some kind.

That comes back to what is the truth that can build a united humanity, free of war imorral behaviours and predudices.

The twist is, that it is only God that gives the guidance that can acheive those noble goals. It is when humanity neglects that guidance, that the decline of civilizations commence.

@dybmh

Regards Tony

 

[McBell]

That comes back to what is the truth that can build a united humanity, free of war imorral behaviours and predudices.

The twist is, that it is only God that gives the guidance that can acheive those noble goals. It is when humanity neglects that guidance, that the decline of civilizations commence.

@dybmh

Regards Tony

And what an interesting twist it is.
Given all the infighting amongst Christians...
Not to mention all the infighting amongst Muslims.

So far it appears that gods track record of peace is somewhat lacking.