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Discussion in 'General Religious Debates' started by Jonathan Bailey, Jul 6, 2019.

  1. Jonathan Bailey

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    ...when they die a physical death?

    For most Christians, the possibilities for a hereafter is heaven or hell.

    The Muslims think 72 virgins await them somewhere outside this physical world.
     
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    Heaven or hell (or sheol), generally speaking; also reincarnation.
     
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    There are no 72 virgins in the Koran.. Don't you ever check your facts?

    There are over 30 allegorical descriptions of heaven.. not unlike "My father's house has many mansions."

    It boils down to heaven being in the presence of God.
     
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    I gather that there might not be a number (72), but that houris will await Muslim men in heaven...pure, virgin, voluptuous and with 'wide, beautiful eyes', etc.?

    Yeah, the houris await the faithful in paradise. According to the quran, evidently. Everything else that seems to be associated with it comes from commentators.

    As for where Jews think they are going...has it occurred to you to, y'know, ask a Jew?
     
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    Transparent companions are also perceived as angels... and described as chaste. The allegories about paradise in Islam are very colorful and lush. There are about 30 of them.
     
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    I made no mention of Jewish beliefs about heaven. What's your issue?
     
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    Sooda, you like kickin' rocks, don't 'cha.
     
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    Both men and women will have virtuous companions in Jannah - that's the core of it.

    Wide eyes are actually a sign of good genes.
     
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    Do most Christians really think they might go to hell after "god" died for their sins?
     
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    I take it you do know what poetic allegory is???
     
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    What's a "wide-eye"?
     
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    Yes. I was waxin' poetic allegorically when I surmised that you like kickin' rocks. :D
     
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    OK, wiseguy..

    I really don't know what Jewish people believe about the hereafter. My VAGUE impression is that Sadducees believed one thing and Pharisees believed another.
     
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    LOL! Lighten' up, kiddo.

    Wasn't referring to that part of your post.

    I was referring to this:
    • J.B. wrote: "The Muslims think 72 virgins await them somewhere outside this physical world."
    • You responded: "There are no 72 virgins in the Koran.. Don't you ever check your facts?"
    Reviewing the thread, I see that you posted two messages before mine to you posted, which suggests to me that you exchanged posts with someone that I must have on "ignore". So, by the time my message to you posted, you appear to have forgotten your response to J.B., which I likened to "kickin' a rock".
     
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    Yes...and the commentaries don't picture them as 'allegories,' completely. ;)

    As for me, I'll go with you about '72.' However, the 'houries,' (who, evidently, can be male or female) seem to be a pretty standard bit of 'equipment' for paradise.
     
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    That was a comment about, y'know, the THREAD? Which is supposed to be about what Jews think will happen after death, NOT what Muslims think will happen?

    My apologies about being unclear; that last statement was meant to be general, not specific to you. I goofed.
     
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    ...as in, 'narrow eyes' are a sign of bad ones?

    hoo, boy.

    Actually, 'wide eyes' are an indicator of beauty in a group of people who consider 'wide eyes' to be a sign of beauty...in their specific group.

    You know, like being blonde and blue-eyed is considered to be a sign of beauty if one is Nordic, or even, dark skin and large eyes are considered a sign of beauty in some African groups, or lots of facial hair is considered to be a sign of masculine prowess if one makes duck calls?

    WHAT do you think 'good genes' ARE? What would be the ideal human specimen, to you, genetically speaking? Blue eyes? Brown ones? What hair color? cheekbones? skin color? hand size or finger length? What?
     
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    I think you misunderstand. Eye disease was always a problem so healthy eyes was a good quality.
     
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    What we find attractive is biological - we feel sexual attraction toward people who have such an appearance that tells of good genes. Big eyes is one of these. So are wide lips and a symmetrical face, good hip-waist ratio (for women) etc.
     
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    I love reading threads. Its like reading a poem without the poem that is a description of the poem through the eyes of 72 virgins.


    EWWWWWWWWWWWWW...
     
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