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Where do non christians go after they die?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by totcamry, Mar 31, 2013.

  1. totcamry

    totcamry New Member

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    According to the bible, do non Christians (and my definition of a Christian is someone who believes in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior) go to heaven? Where do they go after they die? If you can, please include scripture.
     
  2. Skwim

    Skwim Well-Known Member

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    Revelation 21:8 ESV
    But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

    Revelation 20:15 ESV
    And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
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  3. Willamena

    Willamena Just be there, doing that

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    I think it's somewhere in New Jersey.
     
  4. Shiranui117

    Shiranui117 Lord, I believe, help my unbelief!

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    To the OP's question, it's not clearly defined in the bible where everyone goes after they die. But it is clear that everyone's soul waits in expectation of the resurrection of the dead and the Last Judgement. These links below may help you (and Scriptures are included) :

    Particular judgment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Christian views on Hades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As to whether or not non-Christians can get into Heaven, we can't know that for sure; only God has the authority to pass judgement for them. But do be sure to pray for them, that God may have mercy on them, and that they may accept Him.

    Skwim, don't frighten the new people! :)
     
  5. Thorbjorn

    Thorbjorn Ek em Þórsmaðr Staff Member Premium Member

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    We have a winnnnnner!!! (I live in NJ :D).
     
  6. Reverend Richard

    Reverend Richard New Thought Minister

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    There are worse places to go...
     
  7. sandy whitelinger

    sandy whitelinger Well-Known Member

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    They go to the funeral home.
     
  8. ChristineES

    ChristineES Tiggerism Staff Member Premium Member

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    They go the grave.
     
  9. sandandfoam

    sandandfoam Well-Known Member

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    They're all in the pub. Probably gambling and lisening to great music.
    Who in their right mind would go to the bible bashers heaven when all the craic is next door?
     
  10. ChristineES

    ChristineES Tiggerism Staff Member Premium Member

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    I don't believe the lake of fire mentioned in Revelation means eternal punishment. Fire is used symbolically throughout the OT as purification. Jesus said that those baptized would also be baptized with "spirit and fire".
     
  11. Skwim

    Skwim Well-Known Member

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    Believe what you want; however, . . .
    "And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8).1

    "And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life" (Matt. 25:46)

    "And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power," (2 Thess. 1:9).

    "Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 7).

    Just saying. :shrug:
     
  12. ChristineES

    ChristineES Tiggerism Staff Member Premium Member

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    Believe what you want.
     
  13. Thorbjorn

    Thorbjorn Ek em Þórsmaðr Staff Member Premium Member

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    Jesus spoke in hyperbole to get his point across to the dim-witted population and disciples. You could put out both eyes, still think about some booty, do the right (or if you're a leftie) knuckle shuffle, have someone cut your hands off and starve to death. :eek: Works for me! Speaking of dim, some of today's followers are not the brightest bulbs on the Christmas tree either.
     
  14. Thief

    Thief Rogue Theologian

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    Bingo!

    But let's have mercy.
    Eternal darkness destroys the spirit.
    The event is overwhelming.

    Instead let's say....you end up with everyone else that thinks and feels...
    just like you do.

    How else to be happy?
     
  15. Shiranui117

    Shiranui117 Lord, I believe, help my unbelief!

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    ^This is actually a possibility. From my understanding, it is possible to experience God's love and Presence as pain for a while, until our sins are burned away and there is no more separation in our relationship with Him. It could even be possible that no one suffers forever in the eternal fire of His love; rejecting and hating God forever seems a little improbable, does it not?
     
  16. Awoon

    Awoon Well-Known Member

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    They go to the ALL INCLUSIVE heaven, excluding those with labels like "Christian."
     
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  17. Skwim

    Skwim Well-Known Member

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    Hey, it's your book, not mine, and if you feel fine picking and choosing which passages to believe and which can be ignored, okay, but as it stands Bible-wise hell and its lake of fire seem to be quite eternal.
     
  18. Blackdog22

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    Skywim. When the Bible said those things it meant it in a loving way. You know how sometimes people will torture someone for a lifetime in love on Earth? Its kind of like that.../sarcasm off.

    If these verses aren't meant to be looked at as a terrifying thing then please show me the correct way to interpret this to mean something good.
     
  19. Skwim

    Skwim Well-Known Member

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    But I think they are meant to be looked at as a terrifying thing.
     
  20. Shiranui117

    Shiranui117 Lord, I believe, help my unbelief!

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    If you're going to ridicule my post, at least have the integrity do so to my face.

    If, however, you weren't ridiculing my comments, then pay no heed to this post, and God bless you.
     
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