WhyIsThatSo
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WHY ? IS THAT SO ?
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WHY ? IS THAT SO ?
Pull the other one, it has bells on it.There are no thoughts without words..
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When I'm left alone, my thoughts are in concepts, memories and hopes. Dreams of visual images and feelings dominate my mind.
It is *never* until I am in front of a person speaking to me, or conversing here, that I am forced to translate thoughts into words... But I do suspect other people think in words to themselves, while alone. I believe, some people primarily think in words while alone, which is the opposite of me.
When I took ASL Interpreting and Deaf culture studies, my Deaf professor (and all of them were Deaf or Hard of Hearing) said there was a family in a town somewhere in mid-west US where there's barely any civilization. Majority of the people were Deaf or Hard of Hearing and the main communication sign language. The daughter was a CODA (hearing Child of Deaf Adults) and she never used spoken language as a main if any form of communication.
When she was up in age, she went to college outside the city and vocal language, in this case English, became her second language with ASL her native.
I assume people have forms of language (or ways one communicates and reflects on their communication with others) but some do it visually, some auditory, kinesthetic, or a range of methods. Personally, I think while I type and practically every other thing. But in ASL classes we couldn't use our native language; so, although we weren't expected to "cut our inner voice" off, we were expected not to translate them in our heads but go strictly off of body language, facial expression, and signs to communicate.
Not everyone "hears" voices. Probably many Deaf and Hard of Hearing do if they become Deaf/HH later in life but it's not a hard and fast rule. Interesting nonetheless.
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Do people who are born deaf have an inner voice?
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Because it is helpful to be able to communicate with others?
Hm. I honestly never thought anyone didn't "think words." The only time I can think of that, but I am not at all familiar personally, is if one is born completely Deaf or do not have acquisition to verbal language. I think way too much so I'm jealous.
I'm curious. When you read, do you have a 'voice' that says the words you are reading?
When I took ASL Interpreting and Deaf culture studies, my Deaf professor (and all of them were Deaf or Hard of Hearing) said there was a family in a town somewhere in mid-west US where there's barely any civilization. Majority of the people were Deaf or Hard of Hearing and the main communication sign language. The daughter was a CODA (hearing Child of Deaf Adults) and she never used spoken language as a main if any form of communication.
When she was up in age, she went to college outside the city and vocal language, in this case English, became her second language with ASL her native.
I assume people have forms of language (or ways one communicates and reflects on their communication with others) but some do it visually, some auditory, kinesthetic, or a range of methods. Personally, I think while I type and practically every other thing. But in ASL classes we couldn't use our native language; so, although we weren't expected to "cut our inner voice" off, we were expected not to translate them in our heads but go strictly off of body language, facial expression, and signs to communicate.
Not everyone "hears" voices. Probably many Deaf and Hard of Hearing do if they become Deaf/HH later in life but it's not a hard and fast rule. Interesting nonetheless.
Probably not, although it may depend on the reason for the deafness.
I have heard the congenitally blind do not have internal images, but those who go blind later do *if* the vision center of the brain is not damaged.
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The fact that you are writing these posts proves that you have inner speech ( thoughts).
If it did not, you wouldn't be able to communicate this way. There are those however who don't have to rely on
verbalized thoughts ( words ), they are called "telepaths".
Makes no difference if a person is born deaf or not, because we already know every "word" that is, ever was, or ever will be.
And this leads to another question: do deaf people have internal 'voices' consisting of bodily movements?
Really? Do you know every word of Sumerian? I strongly doubt it.
And this leads to another question: do deaf people have internal 'voices' consisting of bodily movements?
I am seeing a marked increase these days in "scientism", which is the false belief that the scientific process is the only valid means of determining truth. And along with this belief, I am seeing a rejection of the metaphysical nature of consciousness. These folks seem to think that because science can explain the mechanics of human cognition, that human cognition is "nothing more" than the result of a complex bio-mechanical process. That the mechanics are all that's "real", and the cognitive results are a kind of illusion. This way of thinking worries me a lot, as it feels very reminiscent 1930s futurism, that led modern humans to view a horrific manifestation of fascism is a 'natural order' of things; justified by their new found knowledge of nature's mechanics.Not many people think this way. They think when you "prove" a metaphysical cause false, it devalues even threatens their experience of it. I think it's quite good to understand the process behind human nature, thought, and even experiences without they needing to compromise the connection to it.
I heard it put this way: Synchronicity are god's way of speaking to me.
Once we accept there are explanations behind our unique personal experiences, they'd be a bit stronger than "faith" and have a full discussion about it without the need of Practice. But as long as we're in the mystic-realm, it's quite impossible. Science is cool but I think it does make it feel it invalidates people's mystical experiences.
agreedProbably not, although it may depend on the reason for the deafness.
I have not been around blind persons enough to have discussions of this nature with any of them.I have heard the congenitally blind do not have internal images, but those who go blind later do *if* the vision center of the brain is not damaged.
I am seeing a marked increase these days in "scientism", which is the false belief that the scientific process is the only valid means of determining truth. And along with this belief, I am seeing a rejection of the metaphysical nature of consciousness. These folks seem to think that because science can explain the mechanics of human cognition, that human cognition is "nothing more" than the result of a complex bio-mechanical process. That the mechanics are all that's "real", and the cognitive results are a kind of illusion. This way of thinking worries me a lot, as it feels very reminiscent 1930s futurism, that led modern humans to view a horrific manifestation of fascism is a 'natural order' of things; justified by their new found knowledge of nature's mechanics.
Makes no difference if a person is born deaf or not, because we already know every "word" that is, ever was, or ever will be.
You really need to work on your back peddling game....Lets see now.....they had words for "cat" ( yep...I know what a cat is )
and a word for "dog" ( yep, know what a dog is ).
"language" is not about "words".