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What? No war !

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
Right. Because that's how escalation works. If there's not a full blown declared war within a day or two of the initial incident, that's it, it's all over. :rolleyes:
I doubt the Iranians see a Doolittle raid as actually being retribution paid. If they wanted to kill someone would have died.
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber
The downed Ukranian airliner may change things a bit.
It could. It could be maybe they did see doing simething as actually slapping thin-skinned Trump in the face (more than what Syria did). And, obviously, disaster wasn't averted, as that happened. Hopefully it doesn't get worse and Trump looks away from Iran and doesn't look back.
 

Dan From Smithville

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Staff member
Premium Member
It could. It could be maybe they did see doing simething as actually slapping thin-skinned Trump in the face (more than what Syria did). And, obviously, disaster wasn't averted, as that happened. Hopefully it doesn't get worse and Trump looks away from Iran and doesn't look back.
It could be a simple, but tragic, mistake. It would not be the first time wars have started over such mistakes, but I think they have not won anyone to their side over it.

I do not want a war and I think more people favor that position. I do question the openness of taking out the Iranian General when it could have been done covertly, leaving doubt, and not another martyr.

I would say that we keep electing leaders that see opportunities for personal glory, but not reason or exit strategies.
 

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
They already control in totality shia islam across the world. Whether we blow away their general terrorist, or not, that won't change.

Nice bit of extremist overstatement there. They don't totally control Shi'a Islam "across the world". They have great influence among the Shi's in the Middle East, to be sure, but it serves no good purpose to claim more than that especially with no proof.

Democrats are what they are, and the lowest of them are very low indeed.

Funny, I've written the same thing about the Trump party's minions.
 

shmogie

Well-Known Member
You're making a big mistake thinking that the revenge for the assassination is over. It will be answered for in a time of their choosing. Because it was not immediate means nothing.
If they do, whenever, they will lose more important assets. When Reagan sank one third of their navy in response to a violent provocation, they never acted up with him again.
 

Dan From Smithville

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Staff member
Premium Member
How do you think this could have been done covertly?
I know that there have been examples of targeted removal of individuals that have been later revealed as that or suspected as being that. Do you not think that our military does not have the means to carry out such a mission?

If it were truly a case that immediate action were required, then more open means would need to be employed as was done. But I have only seen the claims of immediacy and not the evidence leading to those claims.
 

Dan From Smithville

What we've got here is failure to communicate.
Staff member
Premium Member
Why would I want a war ? I want iran contained with no nukes. I want Iran's attacks against us stopped by using military responses to deter them.
You will have to explain your reasoning for anything that you want or do not want. I cannot do it for you. I said I thought you wanted it. You have made statements that would lead to that conclusion.

Am I to take from this that you do not want a war with Iran?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
As of 2017, the U.S. military claimed to have 20 MOAB bombs.

The U.S. Dropped the ‘Mother of All Bombs’ in Afghanistan. But What Is That?

During April 13th, 2017, US MC-130 aircraft dropped one over Pakistan on a network of ISIS tunnels that were blasted into killing ca. eight dozen ISIS fighters.

'Mother of all bombs' killed 94 ISIS fighters, Afghan official says - CNN

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I'm guessing if one MOAB could take down ca. 100 Islamic militants, then I suppose 20 of them could take out a combined total of ca. 2,000 Islamic militants.
That's not many bombs.
 

Salvador

RF's Swedenborgian
That's not many bombs.

Agreed, but these are each really massive bombs, each weighing over 20,000 pounds with a powerful blast of proven capability to kill nearly one hundred well-scattered Islamic militants dwelling in a widely dispersed area of tunnels.

Just one MOAB should be enough to put the fear of Allah into almost one hundred Islamic militants. Pretty impressive!

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Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Many democrats are no doubt disappointed, the killing of Iran's terrorist general has not resulted in WW3.

Iran's response ? We were advised by them where and when they would fire tens of missiles that harmed no one. They were extremely careful not to cross Trumps red line of massive response if they killed any Americans.

As always, when faced with real force, they backed down. This massive war machine we were told existed, and would smash us, turned out to be not much.

Iran is confused, Americans have for years let them do as they chose, suddenly they got whacked for their killing, and they have absolutely no desire to be sliced up.

I have absolutely no doubt that there are some democrats who wanted Americans to be killed, to prove their narrative of fear of Iran, and a serious error on the part of Trump.
I wouldn't put it past the traitorous socialist party to think like that.

Having Americans killed would be their twisted crowning achievement just so they could continue defending terrorist nations and to villify the only man that has a real passion for protecting American interests and the continued viability of the United States.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Who are you talking about? Name them! Don't just apply a general DEMOCRAT label. Wouldn't that be misleading?

Concerning this thread... Too soon to conclude anything...
Naming names is problematic....rules.
Posters will agree or not.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The predictions of war will ebb & flow...periodically proclaiming inerrant prognostication.
When I was in the military in the 80s they said there will be a war of note about every decade. They have been right on the money so far.
 
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