what makes a Christian?

[metis]

2 Timothy 3:12

12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.


That's correct. Earthly Christianity does Self-Harm and Harms Others.


You have it Inverted. Happy to say I'm on the receiving end of 24/7 Satanic Ritual Abuse. I live in a Marquis de Sade Stronghold area.


I Am Christian Gnostic viewed a Heretic by the Universal Roman Catholic Church and subject of an ongoing Inquisition by said Church.


I Am Ultra Extremist Celibate and Non-Violent Christian.

OK

 

[Muffled]

The baseline is accepting Jesus Christ as Lord, Savior and Messiah, and striving to follow His teachings. Other than that, accepting the Nicene Creed, imo.

I have received Jesus as my Lord and Savior and see problems with the Nicene creed.

 

[Muffled]

Well, the Jewish idea of messiah is significantly different from Christians. There doesn't exist in Judiasm any notion that the Messiah will die and rise and save us from our sins. Basically for us, the messiah is simply the man who will rule from Jerusalem during the messianic era -- the last era of the earth before the resurrection... He will usher in this era of worldwide peace, and bring all the Jews out in the world back to the land of Israel. He is a very earthly leader. His kingdom is of THIS world.

I believe Christians derive our understanding of the first appearance of Jesus from Isa. 53. Otherwise we only have the fact that Jesus claimed to be the Messiah.

 

[Muffled]

Because:
If it's the right faith to him
Does not imply it's the right faith to all
Hence phrasing it as a claim for all is wrong

I believe when I was doing jail ministry there were those who had faith in stealing. It wasn't working well for them so I believe the proof is in the results.

 

[Sand Dancer]

what makes a Christian?

Believing a prescribed set of beliefs.

It used to be about action. Sad that but has become about belief.

 

[Sand Dancer]

I think its all about accepting Jesus Christ as Lord.

Doesn't it matter what you do with it once you've accepted?

 

[Kenny]

Doesn't it matter what you do with it once you've accepted?

of course... yes.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Ok so how does your theist beliefs (or theology) explain what the deity you believe in does in reference to life.

It gets more complicated when you realize that Yahweh could not have created much given older backstories.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

His brothers sold Joseph and that placed Joseph in Egypt. - Genesis chapter 37

So they sold a kid into slavery as part of some slave trade?

 

[Sand Dancer]

So they sold a kid into slavery as part of some slave trade?

He was the favorite. They hated that.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I believe Christians derive our understanding of the first appearance of Jesus from Isa. 53. Otherwise we only have the fact that Jesus claimed to be the Messiah.

Yes, I realize that you do. And I'm sure that by now you understand that for Jews, Isaiah 53 is not about the Messiah at all, but about Israel.

 

[stvdv]

It wasn't working well for them so I believe the proof is in the results.

True

I believe when I was doing jail ministry there were those who had faith in stealing

They had faith in "ending up in jail" I guess

We seem to talk about different faiths

They had
"Faith in stealing"
They had
"Faith in others stealing from them"
also?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So they sold a kid into slavery as part of some slave trade?

Not the Mosiac Law, but rather Joseph's brothers sold their teenage brother Joseph.
At first they wanted to kill him but one brother stopped that. See Genesis 37th chapter.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Doesn't it matter what you do with it once you've accepted?

Sure does matter according to Jesus at Matthew 24:13; Mark 13:13
One must endure faithful to the end. End of one's life or be found faithful at Jesus' Glory Time - Matthew 25:31-34,37
One can also loose one's 'saved' position by commiting the unforgivable sin - Matthew 12:32

 

[Muffled]

Yes, I realize that you do. And I'm sure that by now you understand that for Jews, Isaiah 53 is not about the Messiah at all, but about Israel.

I believe that gets you off the hook in your own minds but it isn't going to please God.

 

[Muffled]

True


They had faith in "ending up in jail" I guess

We seem to talk about different faiths

They had
"Faith in stealing"
They had
"Faith in others stealing from them"
also?

I believe so. Since most of the people in jail believed the way they did, then everyone would be a suspect. Once when I was doing street ministry talking to alcoholics, one of them stole the other mans bottle of booze. Addictions were often a cause for stealing and sometime it would take violence to steal things so they were on board with that as well.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

I believe that gets you off the hook in your own minds but it isn't going to please God.

You, like everyone, are entitled to your opinion. I'm not worried at all about God.

 

[stvdv]

I believe so. Since most of the people in jail believed the way they did, then everyone would be a suspect. Once when I was doing street ministry talking to alcoholics, one of them stole the other mans bottle of booze. Addictions were often a cause for stealing and sometime it would take violence to steal things so they were on board with that as well.

If addictions cause this violence (stealing etc)
Then best to solve the cause of addictions
Not an easy one to solve

 

[IndigoChild5559]

If addictions cause this violence (stealing etc)
Then best to solve the cause of addictions
Not an easy one to solve

We need to stop blaming addicts for their condition and look for ways to help them. Addiction, like mental illness, is a major cause of homelessness.

 

[stvdv]

We need to stop blaming addicts for their condition and look for ways to help them. Addiction, like mental illness, is a major cause of homelessness.

I was not blaming addicts