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Featured What is wrong with smashing the idols?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by sovietchild, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. sovietchild

    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    Can you provide me with a Quran verse? If you don't follow any hadith, then where did you get this info?
     
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    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    Bump. @paarsurrey

    Are you gonna keep ignoring me?
     
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    I didn't get one exactly. Please
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    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    You demanded me to provide you with a verse. Right?

    Please, provide me with a verse.
     
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    The Emperor of Mankind Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic

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    Could Muhammad do something against the Quranic Revelation? Please
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    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    @paarsurrey

    Provide me with a verse. Don't ask me to fight with gloves because you don't have any either.
     
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    One's source as one mentioned was based on history of the time of Muhammad. When was the first history book written narrating the event ? Please
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    What is wrong with smashing the idols?
    Is it equitable on part of of the non-believers to put idols in a worship-house constructed solely for the worship of ONE-GOD? Please
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    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    Are you the one who proclaims himself as peaceful Muslim? If so why do that when statistically Muslims are known to be peaceful.
     
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    Sorry, it is off-topic. Please
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    How is proclaiming that Muhammad didn't engage in destruction of property defaming Islam?
     
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    False statement for example. He stated that Mecca people themselves destroyed the idols. This is an attempt to rewrite the history of Islam. The foundation of Islam. Attempting to injury it and change the course.
     
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    Foundation of Islam was never erected on the history or historians. Foundation of Islam is based on the Word of Revelation (Quran) from God on Muhammad. And I don't see any commandment/verse of God mentioning explicitly that Muhammad demolished the idols.
    The pertinent question is:
    Is it OK for the non-believers to put idols in a house of worship built specifically for the purpose of worship of ONE-GOD?
    If the above is OK for the non-believers then, why should it not be OK for the believers to remove the idols from a worship-house and to restore it to its original position?
    Please
    Anybody, please
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    Why? So, people would continue to worship them?

    Not only do I think you are attempting to defame Islam, but you are also trying to defame Prophet Muhammad.

    You haven't provided us with any sources of your statements.
     
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    And how do you know this isn't what really happened? How do you know that your version of what happened isn't the false one? For the record, I actually agree with you. I also think paarsurrey is attempting to revise history to make Muhammad look better retroactively; I just want to understand how you arrive at that conclusion.

    I'm also confused as to how attempting to make Muhammad look better would "injure" Islam and "change the course" unless you're at least implying that Islam was built on intolerance & violence.
     
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    I don't know about making him look better. I think he is trying to make him look worst. Prophet Muhammad basically got tortured for preaching against those idols. Why would he order his people to move those idols to a different spot? When he conquered Mecca, destroying the idols was the most natural thing to do.

    Why are they trying to injure Islam? Because basically they are trying to change the foundation of Islam brick by brick, and putting another brick in it. Changing the entire recipe of the meal, and throwing the other recipe in the trash. Changing the course of Islam. I think they want to bury Islam in the ground, and have the left overs all to themselves.
     
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    Because, according to Muslims, Muhammad was the better man.


    Why? The idols (according to Islam) had no power in and of themselves. The idols weren't the ones torturing or persecuting Muhammad for preaching Islam. If they had no power to begin with, moving the idols out of the Kaaba would have had exactly the same effect as smashing them : nothing.


    Okay, first off, that's not what I asked. I asked how you think making Muhammad out to be the better man that Islam claims him to be (i.e. a moral exemplar that Muslims should emulate) would weaken Islam. The direct implication of what you're saying is that making Muhammad appear morally upright and tolerant of other beliefs (where none was offered to him) weakens Islam - thus implying that Islam is at its strongest or purest when it is at its most intolerant.

    Second, who is this "they" you're referring to in possession of the "left overs" of Islam (whatever those are)?
     
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    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    Idols had no place in Muhammad's society. Destroying them was only option.
     
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