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Featured What is wrong with smashing the idols?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by sovietchild, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. sovietchild

    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    So, If I destroy my cross into pieces and throw it away, lets stay, am I a sociopath?
     
  2. The Emperor of Mankind

    The Emperor of Mankind Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic

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    'Muhammad is a moral exemplar for all humankind but the American infidels invaded Iraq so all the ****ty things Muhammad did are okay.'
     
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  3. gnostic

    gnostic The Lost One

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    If the cross belong to you, as it is your property, then you are not a sociopath.

    If you re-read my replies, you would see that I wrote you are sociopath, ONLY IF you destroy properties that YOU DON'T OWN!!!!!

    You are not reading my reply properly, so you are taking my post out-of-context.

    What you do with own things, you can do what you like. What you do that don't belong to you, you are breaking the law.

    Do you even know what sociopath mean? It mean not being able to distinguish right from wrong, and when a sociopath break the law or do something immoral, a sociopath wouldn't see it as "doing wrong".
     
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  4. sovietchild

    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    Oh okay that's what I thought

    "The only people who think it is good to destroy properties (regardless if the properties are religious or not) that DO NOT belong to them are sociopaths and criminals. It doesn't matter if the people are Muslims or not Muslims, it is breaking the law."
     
  5. sovietchild

    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    What about American invasion? What do you think of that?
     
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    gnostic The Lost One

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    I have said I don't support that war.
    You seem to not understand what I have written, so I made sure it is extra BIG, to highlight my point of view.

    You are going off topic. What does war in Iraq have to do with smashing idols.
     
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  7. sovietchild

    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    Okay, How about Americans ways? What do you think of them? Are they sociopaths and criminals?
     
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  8. gnostic

    gnostic The Lost One

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    Look, sovietchild.

    I am agnostic and I don't follow any religion. I know more about Christianity than I do about Islam, because I was brought up in neighborhood, where most of kids in schools were either Catholics, Orthodox or Protestants.

    And even though I don't follow religion, I would not destroy statues, idols or any religious buildings. Those properties don't belong to me, so it would be wrong for me to destroy any of it, because I don't believe or follow those religions.

    If agnostic person, like me, can recognise it would be wrong to destroy that don't belong to me, then why can't a law-biding Muslim, such as yourself, that it is wrong to smash property that don't belong to you?

    If you bought the idol, and smash it, then you are not breaking the law. But if you go and smash property that belong to you, then you are breaking the law.

    And if you don't see anything wrong with breaking other people's properties as being "wrong", then you are indeed a sociopath.
     
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    gnostic The Lost One

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    *sigh*

    These sort of questions are rather vague. Can you be more specific with your questions?

    If you are talking only about the "war in Iraq", then I would suggest that you start another new topic.
     
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  10. sovietchild

    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    Good idea. However though I should point out some things. When Americans invaded Iraq, the statues went crashing down. :D
     
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    That generally happens during wars. Which is why we view wars as tragic and destructive. Well, partly anyway.
     
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    If that happen, then it is a tragic to lose any historical objects.

    But I don't think it was the aim of the American military to destroy any statue, it wasn't their strategy to cause any damage. I am not defending the war, but you must understand the differences between damages through accidents or oversight and deliberate damage.

    However, some years back before the invasion of Afghanistan, the Talibans deliberately destroyed the large Buddhist statue(s). They rejoiced in setting the explosives on the statues and filming them exploding those statues.

    That was deliberate, intentional. Because of their fanaticism to Islam, they were destroying that country part of history.

    Those Talibans only made Islam look like a religion of terror. Is that the image of Islam that you want non-Muslims to see?

    Do you understand the difference, sovietchild?
     
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  13. Aštra’el

    Aštra’el Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth

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    I do not view that as "immoral" at all, especially if a Man was doing what a Man subjectively believed was right.

     
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    The Emperor of Mankind Currently the galaxy's spookiest paraplegic

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    Literally anything is justifiable & moral with that logic.
     
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  15. Aštra’el

    Aštra’el Aštara, Blade of Aštoreth

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    That is because morality is subjective.
     
  16. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    I take issue with that claim. Definitely so when taken to this extreme your propose, which makes one wonder what good there is in even using the concept.
     
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    It was morally wrong all the way to the beginning, when a bunch of white people showed up and just took everyone else's stuff. Sure, we wouldn't have the US if we didn't, but that doesn't make it right, either.
     
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  18. sovietchild

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    @paarsurrey You asked me to provide you with a Quran verse about Muhammad smashing the idols. Can you provide me with any sources that Muhammad didn't?
     
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    sovietchild Well-Known Member

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    I just found out that there is ahmadi muslim community. Maybe that's what they believe. It's called Ahmadiyya.
     
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    Hehehe, hence my saying, "It must be some kind of Ahmadhi revisionist quackery."
     
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