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Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by sovietchild, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. Jedster

    Jedster Well-Known Member

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    Of course not!!!! How dare we use our own abilities to make any judgemets. It's much much better to rely on ancient writings alone, rather than using our given abilities.
     
  2. Kirran

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    A person after my own heart.
     
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  3. Jedster

    Jedster Well-Known Member

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    Fundamentalists of most religions use their book as an idol. That's why the liberals/reformists get so much much stick from their fundies.
     
  4. Kirran

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    It's almost like you're saying the progressive Muslims are the ones who are doing away with shirk!
     
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  5. Jedster

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    What do you think about how they are treated by non-Ahmadi Muslims?
    Here is a link Persecution of Ahmadis - Wikipedia
     
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    Jedster Well-Known Member

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    :)
    Hmm, only a fundy would say that! [​IMG]
     
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  7. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Such is the case with all creeds.
     
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  9. sovietchild

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    Why would anyone want to stop him? Didn't you know Prophet Muhammad and his army conquered Mecca?

    Off topic question for you. What does your avatar represents? Is it a civilian in authority clothing?
     
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  10. Jedster

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    You musthave missed myearlier post, so here it is again.

    What do you think about how they are treated by non-Ahmadi Muslims?
    Here is a link Persecution of Ahmadis - Wikipedia
     
  11. sovietchild

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    I don't know what to tell you.

    This is a list of Mahdi claimants List of Mahdi claimants - Wikipedia

    What are the chances Ahmadi was the real one?
     
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    I didn't know ISIS existed in the 90's.
     
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  13. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    How and why would that connect to the matter of how Ahmadiyyas are treated by other Muslims?
     
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  14. Jedster

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    Well, that wasn't my question to you, as @LuisDantas has pointed out above.
    Here it is again, What do you think about how they are treated by non-Ahmadi Muslims?
     
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  15. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    Not sure about that. But there is precedent outside ISIS as well.

    Buddhas of Bamiyan - Wikipedia
     
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    For the record, most people who are neither Ahmadiyyas nor Muslims of other sects will, of course, disbelieve Ahmadi doctrine.

    But they will rarely if ever see that as justification for mistreatment of Ahmadiyyas. There is certainly a place in civilized societies for religious disagreements that do not translate into mistreatment.
     
  17. sovietchild

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    I don't know what you guys are trying to ask me. Apparently, Ahmadiyyas are recognized as non Muslims because they believe Ahmad was the Mahdi.

     
  18. LuisDantas

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    They are treated as non-Muslims by many or perhaps most other Muslims.

    We kuffar tend to consider them Muslims, if we are even aware of any difference among them, Sunny, Shia, Sufi and other sects.

    Edited to add: and that is to be expected. After all, the main objection against Ahmadis would be that they consider Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as a prophet and/or as the Mahdi.

    But we "kuffar" rarely if ever consider Muhammad himself to be a true prophet - that is a main reason why we are not Muslims in the first place.

    If we had any reason to mind the reverence towards Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, odds are that we would mind the reverence towards Muhammad at least just as strongly . Probably way more, since Ahmad's message is so much more respectful of us hell-bound unbelievers...
     
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  19. sovietchild

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    Isn't that like a sheep wolf?
     
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    @paarsurrey

    Can you provide me with a Quran verse? You asked me to provide you. Can you provide me?
     
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