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Featured What is wrong with smashing the idols?

Discussion in 'Religious Debates' started by sovietchild, Jan 27, 2017.

  1. psychoslice

    psychoslice Veteran Member
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    I am talking about the big black stone, I know they say its not idol worship, but I believe it is, its an excuse that they cannot get out of.
     
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    did yours have historical significance? If not, then do what you wish with your dime store trash.
     
  3. paarsurrey

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    It is put there only as a mark for denoting end of a circle completed by a Muslim.
    Regards
     
  4. LuisDantas

    LuisDantas Aura of atheification
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    The point is that there is no clear reason why it should not be considered an idol, while Muslims are so quick and so insistent to decide that most everything else is.
     
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  5. psychoslice

    psychoslice Veteran Member
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    No, Its an idol, which all Muslims what to see, at least once in their life time, yes an idol.
     
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    The authenticity of Ashtiname has not been established. Many secular scholars consider it a forgery. Such claims are not present until the 9th century. It is a copy of a copy. More so other such treaties such as the one of Najrān are forgeries. All these claims started centuries after the Islamic empire was established. It is dogma to link the treaty to Muhammad as there is no source from the man himself as it point to a specific style of writing.

    Your own source shows the protection is based on a tax
     
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  7. psychoslice

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    I believe that those who are highly against idols are the biggest idol worshipers going, they are so hateful against something they themselves don't believe in, that it makes them so angry that that itself becomes an obsession, in other words their idol of hate.
     
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  8. paarsurrey

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    Did I ever express any anger here? G-d bestowed life to every human being with his grace and he has given one freedom to live one's life as one wants in this world, the accountability will be done by Him in the hereafter. I don't find any reason to deny it and be angry. Please live as one pleases.
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  9. gnostic

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    If these idols your personal properties than there are no problem. You are not breaking any law, if those idols belong to you.

    But if these don't belong to you, then you have no rights to damaging other people's properties and no rights in damaging public properties; you are breaking the law.

    If the properties belong to another religion.

    It is call vandalism.

    Would you like it if someone went to your home and burn your Qur'an or your prayer rug or mat?

    Now here is a personal question, did you damage public property or another person's religious item?

    Have you ever set fire to religious buildings?

    If you have, then you are nothing more than a criminal and a thug.
     
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  10. gnostic

    gnostic The Lost One

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    That make Muhammad a thug and a barbarian.

    Smashing idols that don't belong to you, make you a criminal.

    Would you complain if I burn my copy of the Qur'an? Would you be offended?

    If I own this copy, then I haven't broken any law.

    But if I was to take your copy of the Qur'an and burn it, then you can complain to the police, for stealing your property and damaging it.

    So it really depends on who own the properties.

    If you go smashing idols, like historical monuments, then you deserve to be arrested, prosecuted and convicted.
     
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    Anyway, I think Muslims are already idol-worshippers, and don't know about their natural inclination.

    A person who kill another in Muhammad's name, then he is idol worshipper.

    Take the Danish cartoons, there were a lot of violence and damages to properties. Even a Syrian nun was murdered because of their anger over the cartoons, but this nun had nothing to do with those satire drawings. And how many people have threatened to kill the cartoonist and publisher?

    All these people who reacted like this, are all idol worshippers. They have treated Muhammad like god, accusing people of blasphemy who weren't involved in the cartoons.

    The annual pilgrimage to Mecca is the signs of millions of idol-worshippers.
     
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    "But if these don't belong to you, then you have no rights to damaging other people's properties and no rights in damaging public properties; you are breaking the law."

    I agree with one. Please
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  13. psychoslice

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    I didn't say you were angry, but if the cap fits then wear it, and when you say we should live our lives the way we want, are you really saying any other way than yours is lost ?.
     
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    Please paraphrase colored in magenta. I don't get one exactly.
    Regards
     
  15. psychoslice

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    Do you believe your way ore your belief is the only way ?.
     
  16. paarsurrey

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    What is wrong with smashing the idols?

    One may like to read post #1 in another thread, it is connected to this thread.
    Please
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  17. A Greased Scotsman

    A Greased Scotsman THIS is a sword. And it's bigger than yours!

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    So you agree, then, that what Muhammad did was immoral because he broke something that didn't belong to him?
     
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    The only people who think it is good to destroy properties (regardless if the properties are religious or not) that belong to them are sociopaths and criminals. It doesn't matter if the people are Muslims or not Muslims, it is breaking the law.

    Plus, if sovietchild if you do seriously believe in no compulsion in Islam, then that would mean not destroying religious buildings or religious objects of another person's religion.

    Muhammad is not a good role model for law, because he make exceptions when it come to him or one of his buddies breaking law. Smashing idols are typical barbaric act. It just show that Muhammad is not any better than any criminal. If Muhammad was truly a lawgiver, then he should be the one following his own law and rules, not breaking them when it suit him.
     
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    Excuse me, I am not an American. And I have NEVER supported the war in Iraq.

    But what does this have to with smashing religious artifacts that you'd label as "idol"?
     
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    Sovietchild.

    Do you think it is wrong for another person to into your mosque, burn your Qur'an and cause damage to your mosque's properties?

    Did that person break the law?

    Then why wouldn't or shouldn't be held accountable for destruction of properties of another religion?
     
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